David Read: Even I have to admire Wisbey’s sheer diabolical cleverness. David, …

Comment on Michigan Conference vs. LSU – Right Wing Politics or Truth in Advertising? by Eddie.

David Read: Even I have to admire Wisbey’s sheer diabolical cleverness.

David, you might be right, but would you feel any remorse if your public accusation of a fellow brother in Christ is mistaken?

University presidents are rather busy individuals so I seriously doubt any, even Wisbey, would ever personally make arrangements for their choir to perform at an academy. That’s what music professors are paid to do.

A previous thread titled “Michigan Conference accused of shunning LSU choir students” states:

“A letter dated Aug. 29, 2011, was sent to La Sierra University President Randal Wisbey from the Michigan Conference Board of Education, requesting LSU no longer recruit on Michigan Conference campuses until LSU resolved its problem.”

“La Sierra’s request to sing was initially accepted by the academy principal, and according to La Sierra adjunct professor of music David Kendall, PLANNED MONTHS IN ADVANCE [emphasis supplied]; however, it wasn’t until the principal contacted the office of education in March 2012 that the conference was aware the La Sierra Chamber Singers were coming, according to a phone call with Jay Gallimore.”

So, David, given that the trip was “planned months in advance,” how can you be certain that it was Wisbey’s idea and not David Kendall’s? Can you be certain that the choir trip wasn’t planned BEFORE Wisbey received the missive from the Michigan Conference Board of Education?

I don’t know what the truth is, so I’m not accusing you of rumor mongering, but if by chance that’s what you’re doing, I don’t see it listed among the fruits of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23).

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Michigan Conference vs. LSU – Right Wing Politics or Truth in Advertising?

David Read: This whole thing was a propaganda coup planned and carried out by Randal Wisbey.

David, what is the basis of your claim? Do you have any written or verbal evidence from an insider? Or is it just a whim?


Michigan Conference vs. LSU – Right Wing Politics or Truth in Advertising?
Or it’s BOTH the conservatives and the liberals who are criticizing the church, and the moderates who are defending it?


Michigan Conference vs. LSU – Right Wing Politics or Truth in Advertising?

Holly Pham: The fallacy of “Nobody should criticize the Church” is rampant over on Spectrum and AT, while THEY both constantly criticize, not only the Church itself, but most of its leading spokespersons, especially Ted Wilson.

Or it’s the liberals who are criticizing the church, and the conservatives who are defending it? I’m confused.


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Changing the Wording of Adventist Fundamental Belief #6 on Creation

SDA Bio Prof: The Bible makes multiple falsifiable prophecies about Nebuchadnezzar conquering Egypt, yet history never records it happening. Does this mean the Bible is effectively falsified?

Sean Pitman: Egyptians had a strong tendency not to record their losses… only their victories.

Sean, does that mean YOU personally believe Babylon conquered Egypt, just as predicted by two prophets? In the absence of any empirical evidence? If the Egyptians didn’t record their losses, why wouldn’t the Babylonians have recorded such a stunning victory?


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit

Holly Pham: One of the things that has always concerned me is that, according to what I’ve read, birds and reptiles have completely different forms of respiratory systems (flow-through vs. bellows) How is this explained by evolutionists?

Evidence from the vertebrae of non-avian theropod dinosaurs suggests that they, too, possessed unidirectional flow-through ventilation of the lungs. So, according to evolutionary theory, it evolved first in “primitive” non-avian theropods rather than in birds, and comprises one of many shared derived characters supposedly linking birds with more “advanced” theropods. However, I don’t think there is any evidence or even a hypothesis for a step-by-step process of HOW it evolved. Here is a reference:

http://www.ohio.edu/people/ridgely/OconnorClaessensairsacs.pdf


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
@Bob Helm: Bob, if you send me an e-mail at sdabioprof2@gmail.com I will send you a pdf file of a 1991 article published by Chatterjee in Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B 332:277-342, titled “Cranial anatomy and relationships of a new Triassic bird from Texas.”

Curiously his description is based only on cranial anatomy. I don’t think he ever published an analysis of its postcranial anatomy.


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit

David Read: Eddie, ecological zonation will yield the same basic order that you’re pointing to: invertebrates appear before vertebrates; fish appear before amphibians; amphibians appear before reptiles; reptiles appear before mammals; reptiles appear before birds, etc.

It could, and it’s the best creationist explanation, but it doesn’t explain why flowering plants were absent from lowland forests. Or why so many land plants appeared before mangroves, which today occur strictly in the intertidal zone. Or why no pre-flood humans have been found. Or, if Sean is correct that the flood ended at the K-T boundary, why many modern groups of birds and mammals (including marine mammals) which first appear during the Tertiary were not buried by the flood.

David Read: The fact that something appears before something else in the fossil record is not proof than anything evolved into anything else.

True.

David Read: You seem to be complaining that God has not made the fossil evidence compulsory, i.e., so clear that no reasonable person can possibly doubt it. And if God hasn’t made the evidence skeptic-proof, then the skeptic is God’s fault, God is responsible for the skeptic.

I’m not complaining. I’m merely pointing out that the evidence can be interpreted in different ways by honest people. And I’m relieved to see that even you don’t think the evidence is crystal clear.

David Read: Only people of faith can be saved, that is, only people who are willing to trust God and put away doubts can be saved.

I agree.


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit

David Read: Those tracks are so obviously bird tracks that the fact that some scientists want to assign them to “birdlike theropods” is itself a very useful teaching tool as to how the model creates the data.

David Read: That the model actually creates the data is one of the hardest concepts to get across, not only to lay people but even to the scientists themselves.

How does the model affect the data? Data don’t change and they shouldn’t change. It’s the interpretation, not the data, that is affected by the model.