Comment on Michigan Conference accused of shunning LSU choir students by Wesley Kime.
This as background information on certain of our institutions and principals thereof, that have been mentioned recently on several of these threads.
Before retiring and moving to Southern California, I was a pathologist at Kettering Medical Center for many years and attended the Kettering Church for thirty years, and a Sabbath School which, in later times, was headed by Dr. Scriven and others from LLU. The Kettering College of Medical Arts (KCMA), outstanding in it’s class, an excellent school, offers only practical or applied life science courses, such as radiology and pulmonary technology, training for Physician’s Assistants, and nursing, as does LLU, which also has schools of medicine (of which Dr. Bull was once dean) and dentistry.
In contrast to our other universities and advanced schools, neither LLU nor KCMA have occasion to present the more basic or comparative biology courses that have come to involve philosophical and Darwinian issues, and thus have not attracted the attention LSU has. KMCA and LLU are for healing and patient care. But, as would be expected, considerable numbers of the faculty at both LLU and KCMA hold the same world views as those expressed more publicly at LSU. That Dr’s Guy (LSU) and Bull (LLU) co-authored “God, Sky & Land” in support of mainstream evolutionary views on origins, considered on another thread, is symbolic.
KCMA recently built a multi-million dollar new building (donated by a very rich local stock investor), an award-winning structure, complete with elaborate murals in the lobby, one of which depicts “creation,” which, upon deliberation, was rendered in an “inoffensively nonsectarian” way.
Ironically, across the street at Sabbath School – well, it’s a different “school.” Students are safer at KCMA than at some KMC Sabbath Schools.
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Michigan Conference accused of shunning LSU choir students
@Wesley Kime:More about the Kettering Medical Center (KMC), and the Kettering College of Medical Arts (KCMA), part of the KMC campus, as I knew it for over 30 years.
KMC is owned and operated by the Adventist denomination, but unique among Adventist institutions in history and purpose. Named for Charles Kettering, an inventor and engineer in early automobile history and wealthy Dayton industrialist and philanthropist, the resources, property, and title were donated by the Kettering family to the denomination. Impressed with the Adventist hospitals of the era, the Kettering family, good Catholics, wanted advanced Adventist medicine, not necessarily the advancement of Adventist doctrine, though they were not adverse to it and facilitated our church across the street.
Like Kettering Hospital, Kettering College of Medical Arts was set up by the Kettering Family as philanthropy for the good of the community. Thus KCMA has always had many nonAdventist as well as Adventist students, as inended by all parties. The school does teach religion, and so far the teachers have been Adventists, who have felt their obligation is not to be doctrinaire or evangelistic, which works out happily for all concerned.
Dr. Scriven, current Provost of KCMA and current president of the Adventist Forum, has taught a Sabbath School class at the Kettering church called “Contemporary Issues,” started about two decades ago by Dr. Jim Londis, who was involved in the formation of the Forum (see Don’t Change Our Belief on Creation, the Words of Scripture Suffice, October 4, 2011). This class “discusses” (rather than teaches, as they like to say) the Spectrum gospel, the full green-gender-compassionate political, sociological, and hermeneutically advanced theological range of it, plus exposures of the sundry fallacies of the 1844 movement, not just theistic evolution. What I heard taught, er, discussed were mostly things like Rosa Parks and the ordination of women, not EG White or the Investigative Judgment, except with raised eyebrows. That was before the Tea Party came on the scene.
But there are other Sabbath School classes there. Now living in Southern California, I check, as part of my Friday night devotions, the online Kettering Church Bulletin. I’ve noted a new class, “Adventist H.O.P.E.” started by new KMC in-training resident physicians from LLU, where such a class, connected with the new GYC movement, was started after 911. The class in “Contemporary Issues,” immensely popular for many years, is no longer listed.
Recent Comments by Wesley Kime
Dr. Walter Veith and the anti-vaccine arguments of Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche
Informative and stimulating, but proceeding into more confusion. A veteran of Moderna vaccinations, I trust, hope, they are effective, at least until otherwise. The whole business, being part of End Times, is in the hands of God, not humans expert and as degreed as they may be.
Brilliant and Beautiful, but Wrong
Brilliant, beautiful, and so right! Speaking of your presentation at LLU recently. Great to see you and your family (especially my namesake, Wes. God bless! WK
Complex Organisms are Degenerating – Rapidly
@Bob Helm: Dr. Sanford is very familiar to most of us. He was invited to speak at LLU several years ago and I and a great many were privileged to hear him.
Evolution from Space?
Hats off yet again to Sean for pursuing this topic as a scientist should, no nonsense, and in it’s proper setting — as a revival of one of the ancient ideas recently upgraded as a desperate alternative to the increasingly compelling intelligent design data. I had occasion to review panspermia a few years ago and as is my wont I found it more amusing than scientific. If you would like what was intended to be a satirical response to panspermia and other related curiosities you could check out: http://www.iessaythere.com/black-hole-humor.html
Meantime, Sean’s article is of far more cogent worth.
The Sabbath and the Covenants (Old vs. New)
As he has done on this site many times, Sean in his line-by-line-item response to C. White (not EG or EB) has, to my mind, clearly enunciated the issue and resolution.
When all the hermeneutics, quoting, and arguing and inordinately judgmental riposte are over, it comes down, as I understand it, to two things: 1) Whether the 7th day Sabbath (whether enunciated in the famous 10 commandments or otherwise) is still valid, and 2) Does the grace obtained by the vicarious sacrifice by the shedding of Christ’s blood or other divine process too deep for us to understand in this life, cover every sin automatically and without ado, altogether passively on our part, or is it only on condition that we first totally and deeply accept it? Other details always hassled forever are distractions.
I accept that I must accept it, wholly, actively, even with agony, with my whole being.
