@Holly Pham: Sean this is exactly where I get confused …

Comment on Changing the Wording of Adventist Fundamental Belief #6 on Creation by Stephen Ferguson.

@Holly Pham:

Sean this is exactly where I get confused with the two different types of YEC Creationists (see my comments above). Are we to use science or not?

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Changing the Wording of Adventist Fundamental Belief #6 on Creation
@Sean Pitman:

Thanks Sean, that is where I think I get really confused. There really does appear to be two type of YEC Creationists. There are those who just say, ‘forget the science, you should be believing the Bible, not that secular stuff’. Then there are those who say, ‘no science is good, because it is a form of divine revelation (i.e. lesser light) BUT science can prove the YEC hypothesis.’ It appears some YEC pick and choose which approach to take depending upon the circumstances.

If I recall, Educate Truth had a fight with the Spectrum people about this very issue. It is all very confusing really.


Changing the Wording of Adventist Fundamental Belief #6 on Creation
@Sean Pitman:

Sorry, I am not an American. Is LLU also a hotbed of evolution or quite different?


Changing the Wording of Adventist Fundamental Belief #6 on Creation
@Eddie:

Why is GRI located at LSU – isn’t that the hot bed of evolution itself?


Recent Comments by Stephen Ferguson

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@Edward Graves: Did Moses know everything? Did God instruct Moses about DNA, airplanes and automobiles, gunpowder, antibiotics – because there is no evidence in the Bible and it sure would have been a handy advantage for the Jewish nation. Jesus makes clear on the case of divorce that not only did He not instruct Moses about everything, Moses didn’t even perfectly replicate God’s perfect will in the Torah, only God’s permissive will.

A flat disk doesn’t mean a circular sphere floating in space as we understand today. There are other texts that talk about the earth on an immovable pillar (Psalms 104:5; Psalms 93:1; Job 9:6, Job 38:4) and having four corners (Rev 7:1). Or are you suggesting we not read these texts ‘literally and plainly’ but perhaps figuratively – if so, then why not read Gen 1 the same way?

Prophets are just human. The vision is from God, but the words spoke and written are from men. God doesn’t tell men everything, but revelation is progressive, as Ellen White noted on several occasions. The ancients no better understood their world than we do of heaven before us.


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@Ron: See for me that is the critical point. I am not a scientist (nor are the 99.9% of other Adventists, including SDA leaders), so we have to rely on what scientists say. If even Adventist scientists are now saying there is something in evolution, despite the huge pressures they would no doubt receive to just stay quiet, then there must be strong evidence in support it.

I personally wish it wasn’t true, but one cannot live their life ignoring the truth. This especially if one belongs to a denomination known for the world’s largest protestant education and health systems, progressive revelation, present truth and anti-creedism.


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@Ron: What happened to the spirit of the early Adventist pioneers, who were all about progressive revelation and present truth, theological diversity and anti-creedism? Who today can really claim the mantle of ‘historic’ Adventism?


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@Holly Pham: Who decides what ‘real science is’? One could make a similar analogy, where Ervin might say, ‘Gunshot wound to the head’; whereas, Sean might say, ‘Gunshot, what gunshot?’


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@BobRyan: I agree the Bible plainly says the world was made in 6 days. But what is a ‘day’ exactly? Who says a day is a 24 hour period? The Hebrew word ‘yom’ can mean different things depending on the context.

For example, Gen 1:5 suggests ‘day’ is only a 12-hour period. If it is based one day-night period following the rotation of the world on its axis, well there is a problem because there was no sun until ‘day’ 4 (Gen 1:14). If day is based on ‘evening and morning’, there is another problem because the seventh-day has no such phrase (Gen 2:3).

I agree we should read the BIble literally and plainly – but who says you are actually reading it literally and plainly? You are just reading it based on a tradition that says the word ‘day’ should read as one 24-hour period, when the text doesn’t necessarily say that at all. Who says it is talking about one human-day and not a God-day?

Besides, I am sure you don’t really read all of Gen literally anyway. For example when God said the serpent would eat dust (Gen 3:14), do you think He literally meant it or was being figuratively? Because serpents don’t literally eat dust they eat mice and other small animals. If you are prepared to read this part figuratively, then how do you pick and choose?