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Comment on The ‘Found’ World of Genesis 1: Is Theistic Evolution a Meaningful Option for Seventh-day Adventists? by Ron Stone M.D..

Ken: Re Ron’s Quote“Ken, Miracles still happen regarding “the body healing itself.”Hi RonThanks, I enjoyed your comments. I have known folks that somehow recovered from terminal cancer. Amazing stuff!Would you say that this type of unexplainable healing occurs even with agnostics and atheists as well? If so what does that say about the nature of miracles?Your agnostic friendKen

The concept of “terminal” as applied to medicine, is a totally manmade idea. It usually means, “Hey, from what we have experienced before, you’re not going to be a “cancer survivor.”

However, notice the doctors do not “guarantee” what will happen. The fight againlt cancer is mainly done by our immune system, to either prevent the abnormalities from forming in our DNA, repairing what has happened to the DNA, or killing the cancer cells.

So, certainly this type of healing could occur in anyone, whether a “believer” or not. Is is “unexplained” sometimes because we cannot explain how this particular person did better than the previous persons who had a similare type of cancer, in the same stage.

So, I would say that the simple fact that someone did not have the same result (death in a short time) would not necessarily be a “miracle” although it could be.

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Dear Ron and BobBob, I think you are right.If this is happening in the open, without apology and with silence from the Church officials, what does this say about the leadership in your church to enforce FB#6.It is not enough to talk the talk, leaders must walk the walk or face a lack of credibility.Your agnostic friendKen

Ken, You may not be aware of this, but our SDA Church in the Pacific Union Conference is actually a “rogue” division in a number of ways. One of which is they believe they can do whatever they want (ordination of women as pastors, support “gay marriage” etc.) despite the entire world church’s denying these as SDA biblical beliefs.

You see this in the total lack of any supervision of the LSU Board which has numerous members of the Pacific Union Conference, including the President, as members. Thus, we see a “rogue” administration being supported (by lack of any supervision of the Board) by “church officials.”

These so-called leaders are not “walking the walk” and have very little credibility in the minds of many members, including me.

The ‘Found’ World of Genesis 1: Is Theistic Evolution a Meaningful Option for Seventh-day Adventists?

Ron D Henderson: My, Andrew’s presenter Mr. Walton really tickles me no end! I can sympathize with him; he is understandable because he is not a biblical conservative as we; he does not allow the Bible to be its own interpreter; he interprets the Bible from his own view point according to his research. We biblical SDAs allow the Bible to guide us in our understanding and interpretation of the facts. In other words, the Bible is our foundation and arbiter of our beliefs, not people, research, or ‘apparent’ scientific facts. We do not believe that there is any discrepancy between true science and the Bible. What shocks me more is why do we waste our time inviting people who are off bass in their beliefs? Have they invited Dr. Veith to speak yet? I am surprised and not surprised that they have not. Andrews is one of my alma maters, but I am again saddened to see that they continue to reach for the trees rather than for the stars!

I am also an Andrews graduate, and I also am disappointed in some of their actions.

The ‘Found’ World of Genesis 1: Is Theistic Evolution a Meaningful Option for Seventh-day Adventists?

Adventist kid: @Shane Hilde: Apparently Shane thinks he’s the arbiter of what represents Adventism. I beg to differ.

@Adventist Kid From the type of baloney you’ve been expressing, I vote for Shane as being closer to orthodox Adventism!

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My Goal for La Sierra University

The reason the LaSierra situation has gone uncorrected so long is that most of our administrators have exactly the sort of political instincts that Dan Jackson has. They are politicians and consensus builders; they want to keep the peace and make the trains run on time. But the circumstances call for men of principle, hard men who are willing to stand for the right “though the heavens fall,” i.e., regardless who is offended and loudly complains.

Dave, I agree with you. Jackson’s trying to play on “both teams” is not going to go well for him.

Unfortunately, politics is the “SOP” of many of our SDA officials, Jackson being just one. “Political instincts” are the rule, instead of actually doing what is “right” according to what we know in God’s Word.

Bradley, Beach and Kaatz retain attorney

Shane Hilde: Think big fish: LSU or the Seventh-day Adventist Church.Graham might not have followed procedure with these men, but I don’t know what the procedure is. I’ve read what the process is in the faculty handbook, but I don’t know if that applies to administrative positions which are at will employees. If it does apply to them, then it appears the process was not followed.

Trustees book says, in 6,9,F, that the Trustes may “discontinue” virtually anyone working at the university.

Does that mean to “fire” or to “force their resignation? Seems like it does.

My Goal for La Sierra University

GMF: If what has been reported about Jackson is correct it is very troubling. Also, one can only wonder why he was selected as the NAD President.I’ve seen a thing or two which made me wonder about Jackson but this report, if true, has to be the worst. May the Good Lord help us!

Jackson was selected to replace Don Schneider, who was also very “passive” in his approach to this problem.

Besides telling Wisbey to “love Jesus” Jackson did virtually nothing.

My Goal for La Sierra University
Sean, Great summary and analysis of the current situation. Another good review of this matter is in the Jan-March 2011 Elders Journal. It also goes into the 2004 evaluation and recommendations, as you have quoted.

Bradley, Beach and Kaatz retain attorney
How about a “class action” suit against anyone and everyone who has heard the tape or has heard OF the tape?