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ken: Maybe there is more than one way to salvation
The Bible tells us there is only one way to be saved. There isn’t a fancy menu we can choose from. We need to eat the Bread of Life and drink the Water of Life. These symbols represent Christ Jesus. We need to follow Him as perfectly as we can in our puny human strength, and then He will make up for our lack. That is the only way to salvation. By denying Jesus in any form, we unfit ourselves for heaven. Thus TE is contrary to faith in Christ and will lead the soul to ruin–not salvation.
For some reason we, as human beings, think we can make or bend the rules to fit our own desires. But the rules ARE actually written in stone.
The reason for this is to show that there is no changing or negating any of them. We have the choice to live according to them or to lose our eternal lives. Those are our only choices. People who have not kept these rules through ignorance will be judged on what they know and what they had the OPPORTUNITY to know–and don’t forget, God can read the heart–He knows who is WILLING to live up to all they know. Anyone who willfully refuses to keep these laws will pay the penalty with eternal death.
Now, I know someone is going to say that is judgmental. Sorry, what it is is the truth. I am not here stating so-and-so is doomed. I am here giving the straight testimony as to what is truth and what isn’t. That is our duty to figure out, and in no way condemns me. This humanistic approach to religion is so bogus and dangerous; and many souls will be shipwrecked on these rocks.
People know that God is a God of love and mercy and they forget that he is a God of justice as well. God doesn’t want any one of us to be lost, but He won’t save us against our wills. That is the crux of the whole situation. Are we willing to obey God, to live as He wants us to?
He isn’t going to perpetuate discord in heaven. There would have been no need for Jesus to die on the cross if heaven was going to accept sin and sinners. Although we have all sinned, only the redeemed (who are no longer sinners at that point) will be saved. God forces no man/woman to be redeemed against his/her will. And that, my friends, is where our power of choice comes into the whole plan of salvation.
Remember: Narrow is the way to salvation, and few there be who find it.
Ken, please heed the advice above. Agnostics will not be in heaven. It only makes sense. How can God accept someone in heaven who refuses to believe in Him? The last words in the Great Controversy says it all. It says that after the final judgment and the punishment of the wicked in the lake of fire, the universe will beat with one pulse once more.
That is the whole point of the plan of redemption. God won’t like to destroy the wicked, but He will do it, to regain peace in the universe. When you think in terms of everlasting life, it is well worth it to eradicate sin and stop the suffering for once and for all. Then true happiness will reign supreme forever and ever.
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Hope? Slim to none
Mr. Taylor seems to be having trouble separating what’s right from what’s popular. What difference would it make if the enrollment at LSU doubled? Evolution would still be 100% wrong regardless of what happens in the classrooms of the universities. Numbers don’t prove anything.
But I guess that anyone who is so easily duped into believing evolution can also draw such a faulty conclusion. Neither case is based on fact.
Ron: I am assuming that by Darwinism you mean evolution, and that by evolution, you are referring to the ability of the genetic code to change over time and for organisms to develop more diversity over time.
The problem is that I see organisms evolving all the time, (I have given many references in previous posts) and I don’t see that to be inherently contradictory with the Bible. It appears to me that it is only closed minds that find the two contradictory.
Oh, please, Ron, you know very well what I am referring to. However, I will make it crystal clear to you by coming at it from this angle: If anyone denies the Lord as Creator and accepts the evolutionary lie that things just came about all by themselves (although no one has been able to explain where the original
spark of life came from in the evolutionary model)then they cannot be saved and go to heaven to live with the God they have catagorically denied throughout their lifetime. Is that plain enough for you?
BTW what you seem to believe is evolution is just adaptation. No one denies adaptation–I believe it is one of the mechanisms God gave the creatures and plantlife to survive on an earth gone mad by the presence of sin.
ken: are we talking human witnesses or singing stars? What tune? If You Wish Upon A Star?
Actually, we are talking angels and the inhabitants of the previously created worlds. Sorry, I guess that was a bit theologically deep for you who have not this background…no sarcasm intended.
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And you are correct, Sean, PK must consider where his influence is going–for God or against Him.
Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Mr Taylor,
After reading your comment above, I must say PK isn’t the only one in that boat.I would make some comment as to how I really feel about you, but I know Sean will only delete it and you won’t benefit from my insight anyway–seeing as Sean is more concerned about other people’s feelings than you seem to be.
How you have the nerve to come to this website and call us all a bunch of morons (which is really what you are doing) is beyond me. You and your cronies are the ones drowning in error. Anyone who dares to accept man’s opinions over the Bible or SOP isn’t to be trusted to define truth for anyone.
Too straight-forward in my comment? Trust me, I have restrained myself admirably. If you only knew….
Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Further to my comment on skeptism and our professors, I’ve got to tell you that I found Prof Kent to be extremely annoying in his comments on EGW. He seems to think that she is an embarrassment to the church when she speaks on Science.
Personally I find people who dis her to be the embarrassment to the church. I really don’t see how they dare to contradict and mock God’s prophet. By doing this they undermine a lot of our church’s beliefs to outsiders as well as church members. God will hold them accountable for that.
Furthermore, David’s unpublished manuscript plus other books I have read on archaeology have reported skeletons of the type that EGW mentions. Also found were artifacts such as huge iron bedsteads made for and buried with kings of huge stature.
Just because you haven’t done your research, PK, don’t jump to the conclusion the evidence isn’t there. It’s there, all right, and you make yourself look a little foolish for not knowing about it.
Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
David Read said:
“Ellen White’s statements about larger antediluvian life forms are well attested with regard to many different types of flora and fauna. They’re not even controversial…
Hi David,
As you know, I took advantage of your kind offer and I read your manuscript as well as I purchased 3 of your books, one for me, one for my sisters, and one for the church library. It took me a week to finish the book, and I and my sisters are very impressed with it. My one sister calls it “one incredible book”. It has answered a lot of the questions we had on the subject of evolution vs creation science, and, yes, I believe we (you and I and my sisters) are on the same page in our beliefs. We have immensely enjoyed discussing the various aspects of the subject as we read. It makes perfect sense to us.
I still have a couple of questions–new ones will probably always keep popping up–but I would say you have covered the subject admirably. Thanks so much for this book.
I agree with Elder Wilson, this is something every Adventist should read. In my opinion it should be used as required reading for science courses. It is exactly the way I would want science courses in the universities to treat the Creation/evolution debate in the classroom. And if the professors at LSU and the other SDA institutions would do this we wouldn’t be constantly losing our young people and, for that matter, our professors, to skeptisism.
Thank God someone has the courage to publish the truth and expose error.
God Bless you, David.
Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Hi Sean and Bill,
I am wondering if the difference of opinion here is due to varying definitions of the word ‘science’. As we all know there is true science and there is worldly psuedo-science.
If Bill’s understanding of ‘science’ in this case is actually worldly psuedo-science, then he is correct in not wanting any truth to be compromised with it.
From Sean’s post, I believe he is referring to true science, which is definitely part of our beliefs on origins and is well supported by the Bible and SOP, as Sean admirably demonstrated.
Not having seen the exhibit myself, I cannot comment on whether or not they are mixing psuedo-science into it. (Perhaps a few of you posters out there can see the exhibit and report back to us.) Knowing the general philosophy of SAU, I would be surprised if they did.
Their goal is “to provide scientific evidence that substantiates the Bible’s account of creation.” Sounds good to me.
They also say: “Religion and science don’t need to be at odds.” And that is true when you are referring to true science, which I believe they are.
However, I do understand Bill’s reaction in that these days when people use the word ‘science’ without qualification it so often means evolutionary pseudoscience, that we tend to be suspicious.
I think, Bill, that in this case we don’t need to worry. I believe SAU’s heart is in the right place and I am so glad that at least one of our institutions is willing to stand up and be counted on the side of Creation, even though they will probably draw much criticism from the ‘scientific’ community as well as from the TEs in their own church.
God bless them for their fidelity to Him. And may God strengthen them to meet the onslaught that is most likely to follow, is my prayer for them.
