Ken: Yes, Ken, we can know the absolute truth–at least as …

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Ken:

Yes, Ken, we can know the absolute truth–at least as much as God has revealed to us. Which means we can know that Creation happened just as it says it did in the Bible.

I realize that you probably don’t know a lot about the SOP, but our church has it–a revelation from God as to what is truth. That is why we can be so sure of what we believe. Just as the Jews were God’s chosen people during the Biblical era, so the SDA church is God’s remnant people today and He has revealed to us the truth that will save the world.

Unfortunately knowing and practicing the truth involves a lot of self-sacrifice, which goes against the carnal nature, so many people don’t want to hear it, accept it, or practice it. So sad that they would rather enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season and die the everlasting death of the sinner.

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Mr. Taylor seems to be having trouble separating what’s right from what’s popular. What difference would it make if the enrollment at LSU doubled? Evolution would still be 100% wrong regardless of what happens in the classrooms of the universities. Numbers don’t prove anything.

But I guess that anyone who is so easily duped into believing evolution can also draw such a faulty conclusion. Neither case is based on fact.


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Ron: I am assuming that by Darwinism you mean evolution, and that by evolution, you are referring to the ability of the genetic code to change over time and for organisms to develop more diversity over time.
The problem is that I see organisms evolving all the time, (I have given many references in previous posts) and I don’t see that to be inherently contradictory with the Bible. It appears to me that it is only closed minds that find the two contradictory.

Oh, please, Ron, you know very well what I am referring to. However, I will make it crystal clear to you by coming at it from this angle: If anyone denies the Lord as Creator and accepts the evolutionary lie that things just came about all by themselves (although no one has been able to explain where the original
spark of life came from in the evolutionary model)then they cannot be saved and go to heaven to live with the God they have catagorically denied throughout their lifetime. Is that plain enough for you?

BTW what you seem to believe is evolution is just adaptation. No one denies adaptation–I believe it is one of the mechanisms God gave the creatures and plantlife to survive on an earth gone mad by the presence of sin.


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ken: are we talking human witnesses or singing stars? What tune? If You Wish Upon A Star?

Actually, we are talking angels and the inhabitants of the previously created worlds. Sorry, I guess that was a bit theologically deep for you who have not this background…no sarcasm intended.


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And you are correct, Sean, PK must consider where his influence is going–for God or against Him.


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Mr Taylor,

After reading your comment above, I must say PK isn’t the only one in that boat.I would make some comment as to how I really feel about you, but I know Sean will only delete it and you won’t benefit from my insight anyway–seeing as Sean is more concerned about other people’s feelings than you seem to be.

How you have the nerve to come to this website and call us all a bunch of morons (which is really what you are doing) is beyond me. You and your cronies are the ones drowning in error. Anyone who dares to accept man’s opinions over the Bible or SOP isn’t to be trusted to define truth for anyone.

Too straight-forward in my comment? Trust me, I have restrained myself admirably. If you only knew….


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Further to my comment on skeptism and our professors, I’ve got to tell you that I found Prof Kent to be extremely annoying in his comments on EGW. He seems to think that she is an embarrassment to the church when she speaks on Science.

Personally I find people who dis her to be the embarrassment to the church. I really don’t see how they dare to contradict and mock God’s prophet. By doing this they undermine a lot of our church’s beliefs to outsiders as well as church members. God will hold them accountable for that.

Furthermore, David’s unpublished manuscript plus other books I have read on archaeology have reported skeletons of the type that EGW mentions. Also found were artifacts such as huge iron bedsteads made for and buried with kings of huge stature.

Just because you haven’t done your research, PK, don’t jump to the conclusion the evidence isn’t there. It’s there, all right, and you make yourself look a little foolish for not knowing about it.


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
David Read said:

“Ellen White’s statements about larger antediluvian life forms are well attested with regard to many different types of flora and fauna. They’re not even controversial…

Hi David,

As you know, I took advantage of your kind offer and I read your manuscript as well as I purchased 3 of your books, one for me, one for my sisters, and one for the church library. It took me a week to finish the book, and I and my sisters are very impressed with it. My one sister calls it “one incredible book”. It has answered a lot of the questions we had on the subject of evolution vs creation science, and, yes, I believe we (you and I and my sisters) are on the same page in our beliefs. We have immensely enjoyed discussing the various aspects of the subject as we read. It makes perfect sense to us.

I still have a couple of questions–new ones will probably always keep popping up–but I would say you have covered the subject admirably. Thanks so much for this book.

I agree with Elder Wilson, this is something every Adventist should read. In my opinion it should be used as required reading for science courses. It is exactly the way I would want science courses in the universities to treat the Creation/evolution debate in the classroom. And if the professors at LSU and the other SDA institutions would do this we wouldn’t be constantly losing our young people and, for that matter, our professors, to skeptisism.

Thank God someone has the courage to publish the truth and expose error.

God Bless you, David.


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Hi Sean and Bill,

I am wondering if the difference of opinion here is due to varying definitions of the word ‘science’. As we all know there is true science and there is worldly psuedo-science.

If Bill’s understanding of ‘science’ in this case is actually worldly psuedo-science, then he is correct in not wanting any truth to be compromised with it.

From Sean’s post, I believe he is referring to true science, which is definitely part of our beliefs on origins and is well supported by the Bible and SOP, as Sean admirably demonstrated.

Not having seen the exhibit myself, I cannot comment on whether or not they are mixing psuedo-science into it. (Perhaps a few of you posters out there can see the exhibit and report back to us.) Knowing the general philosophy of SAU, I would be surprised if they did.

Their goal is “to provide scientific evidence that substantiates the Bible’s account of creation.” Sounds good to me.
They also say: “Religion and science don’t need to be at odds.” And that is true when you are referring to true science, which I believe they are.

However, I do understand Bill’s reaction in that these days when people use the word ‘science’ without qualification it so often means evolutionary pseudoscience, that we tend to be suspicious.

I think, Bill, that in this case we don’t need to worry. I believe SAU’s heart is in the right place and I am so glad that at least one of our institutions is willing to stand up and be counted on the side of Creation, even though they will probably draw much criticism from the ‘scientific’ community as well as from the TEs in their own church.

God bless them for their fidelity to Him. And may God strengthen them to meet the onslaught that is most likely to follow, is my prayer for them.