Lorelei: I believe that the point of the story is …

Comment on Hope? Slim to none by Shane Hilde.

Lorelei: I believe that the point of the story is not HOW creation occurred, but WHY, and by WHOM.

Michael makes a valid point. How did God create the animals and humans? He formed them from the dust of the ground (Gen. 2:19; Gen. 2:7).

How long did it take him to create? Six days (Gen. 1:31)

We even know whether we evolved from the animals. We weren’t. God created us separately.

Obviously we don’t know all the details, but God has left us with some.

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Bill Sorensen: I could easily produce many more such quotations by EGW on the absolute necessity to keep the commandments of God to be saved.

Are you kidding? That is a complete contradiction to what the Bible teaches and Seventh-day Adventist belief. And on a more superficial level completely off the topic of this thread.


Hope? Slim to none
These ladies have been a thorn in Wisbey’s side from the beginning from what I hear. I’m sure he and others are happy these ladies are off the board. I can’t account for why they put their names on the document, but they’re pro creation. Not surprised LSU finally got rid of them.

Remember a year ago when there was a movement to remove three board members. Well at least two of the ones that were fired today were a part of those three. This has been in the works for a while I’m sure.


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La Sierra University Hires Another Darwinist
ADvindicate has also published an article about LSU and Raul Diaz that expands on a few details.

http://advindicate.com/?p=2625


A little-known history about Belief 6
@Eddie: The Bible does not specify an age of accountability (to my knowledge), but the Israelites considered the age of 12 to be the turning point. I wouldn’t base a theology off of tradition though. Also, it’s not our place to judge what happens to those who have not been able to make a decision.


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@Blodgett: Was there a comment you’d like to add?


At La Sierra, Biology Faculty Affirms Importance of Teaching About Creation in Curriculum
@David Read: And perhaps not something Christ would do. I can understand your frustration though. I’ve been on the verge of quitting this whole thing many times. I’ve been guilty of letting that frustration control and influence things I shouldn’t have said.

I have to remind myself to look at the big picture. In the end all those who are not supposed to be in the church will be sifted out. I pray I am not one of them.


Board of Trustees Addresses Curriculum Proposal
I know from talking to a couple of reporters from Press Enterprise and Inside Higher Ed that Randal Wisbey was effective in shutting down communication between any outsiders and the biology faculty. It appears he made himself the only channel of communication between the board and biology faculty.

I emailed Larry Becker about what bylaw the board members broke that was worthy of dismissal, and I have yet to hear a response from him.

I would also note that board members at other universities appear to be free to talk to the faculty.

Another interesting point. He removes three board members for trying to work on the problem and come up with a solution, and then turns around sort of embraces what they’re doing. He can’t publicly condemn it because everyone can see, whether you agree with what they wrote or not, that it’s a significant step for the faculty to be speaking to the church.

Did he forbid the document from being published? No. If you’re really excited about seeing the biology department making advancements in solving the issue, why are you removing the people who are making that happen. He never did anything like that.

What has Wisbey done to address and fix this issue? Nothing. He’s dragged it out, lied about what’s been happening, and told everyone involved to shut up or get in trouble. What on earth is he trying to do?

Who knows, he might even be a part of the underground movement to sever LSU from the church by using WASC as the big hammer. It’s obvious from one former board member, there was interest in using WASC to manipulate the situation.