@BobRyan: Bob, think about it. What is religious freedom …

Comment on WASC Reviews LSU’s Accreditation by Ron.

Bob, think about it. What is religious freedom if it isn’t the obligation of the majority to tolerate the beliefs of the minority without prejudice or persecution no matter how wrong the majority thinks the minority opinion is.

A teacher in an Adventist institution that teaches evolution is definitely a minority, and the church at large is violating the principle of religious freedom when they persecute such a teacher.

Elder Wilson, asked every church member to speak up for Religious freedom. I am speaking up. I believe the principle of religious freedom applies to the church even more strongly than it applies to secular society.

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WASC Reviews LSU’s Accreditation

Charles: Do we really believe in the historic message of our church?

Yes, do you believe in Present Truth, that truth is ever progressive?

Don’t forget that Mrs. White implied that we would have to change some of our fundamental beliefs as truth progresses.

WASC Reviews LSU’s Accreditation

BobRyan: blind faith evolutionism should have been excluded from all science classes

Bob, This is an illogical rant. It seems to me that you are willingly ignorant of the facts. Science is about what we can see and measure. We can see and measure evolution. It isn’t junk science. It is very productive science. You are like a blind man ranting at everyone who can see. I am sorry you are blind, but am afraid you will never convince honest hearted people that evolution doesn’t exist just because you refuse to see it.

WASC Reviews LSU’s Accreditation

Wayne: ALL Christian colleges in the region already submit their theology to WASC

The problem is, you are confusing Theology and Science. WASC doesn’t care what you teach in theology classes, in fact it would probably get after you if you didn’t enforce denominational guidelines. The problem is that you are trying to teach theology in a science class. Science is different that religion, and as far as I know there aren’t any other Christian colleges or universities that confuse the two.

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Changing the Wording of Adventist Fundamental Belief #6 on Creation

Sean Pitman: No one is demanding that they “get out of the church”. . . . . anti-Adventist views on such a fundamental level.

You don’t see how characterizing a dedicated believer’s understanding of truth as “fundamentally anti-Adventist” would drive them out of the church?

I guess that explains why you don’t see that what you are doing here is fundamentally wrong.

Changing the Wording of Adventist Fundamental Belief #6 on Creation

Professor Kent: Nothing saddens me more than the droves who leave the Church when they learn that many of their cherished beliefs regarding this evidence don’t hold up so well to scrutiny.

I agree. I am sure that Sean and Bob don’t mean to undermine faith in God, but every time they say that it is impossible to believe in God and in science at the same time, I feel like they are telling me that any rational person must give up their belief in God, because belief in God and rationality can’t exist in the same space. Who would want to belong to that kind of a church?

Changing the Wording of Adventist Fundamental Belief #6 on Creation

Sean Pitman: and have little if anything to do with the main point of their prophetic claims

And by analogy, this appears to be a weak point in the creation argument. Who is to decide what the main point is?

It seems entirely possible that in trying to make Gen. 1 too literal, that we are missing the whole point of the story.

Changing the Wording of Adventist Fundamental Belief #6 on Creation
Regarding falsifying the existence of God through the miraculous:

While it is true that one can’t falsify the existance of God and the Biblical miracles at a philosophical level, it seems to me that it is possible to falsify it at a practical level. For instance prayer for healing. How many families who pray for a miracle for a loved one in the Intensive Care Unit receive a miracle?

While the answer to that question doesn’t answer the question of the existence of God at a philosophical level, it does answer the question at a practical level. After 36 years of medical practice I can say definitively that at a practical level when it comes to miracles in the ICU, God does not exist. Even if a miracle happens latter today, it wouldn’t be enough to establish an expectation for the future. So at a practicle level it seems it is possible level to falsify the existence od God, or at least prove His nonintervention which seems to me to be pretty much the same thing at a functional level.

Changing the Wording of Adventist Fundamental Belief #6 on Creation
@Sean Pitman:
Sean, what is your definition of “Neo-darwinism” as opposed to “Darwinism” as opposed to “evolution”?