@Wendy: Simple concept, but it’s comforting to know when all …

Comment on Michigan Conference takes substantial action in LSU conflict by Sean Pitman.

@Wendy:

Simple concept, but it’s comforting to know when all this scripture slinging, name calling and finger pointing is going on amongst human sinners like myself.

Just because we are all desperate sinners, and we all are, does not mean that we have to let the Church organization fall into chaos – that we cannot stand for truth while admitting that we all need help to truly live up to the truth that we know…

Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com

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Michigan Conference takes substantial action in LSU conflict
@former Seventh-day Adventist:

If a school is claiming to be a Seventh-day Adventist institution, it should uphold SDA ideals and philosophy. Basic honesty.

Exactly! Such clear headedness on these basic issues and you’re no longer a Seventh-day Adventist? That is unfortunate because we sure need more people with at least this much basic common sense in our Church…

Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com


Michigan Conference takes substantial action in LSU conflict
@Aaron:

Actually, no, by that logic that would not be the case. Your argument is ridiculous, by no means does that imply that we would have to support families with their tuition bills outside of an SDA institution. This is a totally different matter because LaSierra IS an Adventist institution.

I guess that’s a matter of opinion. I personally fail to see how any school that goes around attacking fundamental pillars of the SDA faith can really call itself “SDA” with a straigth face. It’s like pretending to be something that you’re really not – very much like a wolf in sheeps clothing which enables the wolf to more easily steal away the sheep…

Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com


Michigan Conference takes substantial action in LSU conflict
@Geanna Dane:

Shane and Sean and others

With your reasoning the entire North American Division should lose all support from the GC for undermining the church’s official position on women’s ordination. How many of its conferences have employed women as pastors?

Women’s ordination, however important a concept it may be for many people (with whom I personally sympathize), is evidently not viewed by the SDA Church, as a body, as a fundamental doctrinal issue or pillar of the SDA faith. Note that there is no mention of it in the Church’s 28 “Fundamental Beliefs”.

http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html

It seems, rather, to be viewed by the GC as more of a cultural or social issue where the Church is trying to deal with very different cultures within the world-wide community of believers.

In other words, there seems to be wider latitude in agreement and action over non-doctrinal issues that are not foundational to the SDA faith…

Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com


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