Comment on Michigan Conference takes substantial action in LSU conflict by Sean Pitman.
@D. Znack:
Well, well – It seems we’re really in those last of days. Who can be surprised, knowing the times we live in, plus having the Spirit of Prophecy already telling us that even whole conferences will be lost?
Mrs. White never says that whole conferences will be lost. This is a common reference, but it is mistakenly attributed to Mrs. White.
The report that Mrs. White predicted the apostasy of entire Seventh-day Adventist churches and conferences is without support. See the statement concerning “The Shaking” in Early Writings, pages 269-273; and Testimonies for the Church, vol. 8, p. 41, for these words: “Company after company from the Lord’s army joined the foe and tribe after tribe from the ranks of the enemy united with the commandment-keeping people of God.”
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/faq-mist.html
This doesn’t mean that it won’t happen. It just means that Mrs. White did not predict it. What she did say is a bit more hopeful:
“The church may appear as about to fall, but it does not fall. It remains, while the sinners in Zion will be sifted out—the chaff separated from the precious wheat. This is a terrible ordeal, but nevertheless it must take place.†—Selected Messages, book 2, p. 380.
Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com
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Michigan Conference takes substantial action in LSU conflict
@former Seventh-day Adventist:
If a school is claiming to be a Seventh-day Adventist institution, it should uphold SDA ideals and philosophy. Basic honesty.
Exactly! Such clear headedness on these basic issues and you’re no longer a Seventh-day Adventist? That is unfortunate because we sure need more people with at least this much basic common sense in our Church…
Sean Pitman
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Michigan Conference takes substantial action in LSU conflict
@Wendy:
Simple concept, but it’s comforting to know when all this scripture slinging, name calling and finger pointing is going on amongst human sinners like myself.
Just because we are all desperate sinners, and we all are, does not mean that we have to let the Church organization fall into chaos – that we cannot stand for truth while admitting that we all need help to truly live up to the truth that we know…
Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com
Michigan Conference takes substantial action in LSU conflict
@Aaron:
Actually, no, by that logic that would not be the case. Your argument is ridiculous, by no means does that imply that we would have to support families with their tuition bills outside of an SDA institution. This is a totally different matter because LaSierra IS an Adventist institution.
I guess that’s a matter of opinion. I personally fail to see how any school that goes around attacking fundamental pillars of the SDA faith can really call itself “SDA” with a straigth face. It’s like pretending to be something that you’re really not – very much like a wolf in sheeps clothing which enables the wolf to more easily steal away the sheep…
Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com
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