Comment on The ANN Highlights LSU’s Dr. Lee Grismer – An Evolutionary Biologist by Ron D Henderson.
Hi, Folks,
This is what my friend Ken asks: I’d say a bigger problem than LSU, is if the Church VP in charge Adventist education is saying the physical evidence of science is not congruent with biblical creation. That is what many of the scientists of the GRI were saying at GC.
The fact of the matter is,it is not that physical evidence is not congruent with biblical data. We miss the boat when we naively suppose that. In my research in science I have seen over and over again that any evidence can be interpreted or manipulated to testify to one’s presuppositions.
Also interpretation of evidence is always coloured by one’s presuppositions. Objective evidence is hardly objective; so many times we have messed up in the interpretation of the evidence simply because of our worldview.
For the SDA church to promote the findings of a so called Adventist biologist who is an evolutionist is utterly misleading and unconscionable. We have so many good scientists who do not accept evolution there is no need to promote these people as Adventists.
They should be dwelt with in terms of their commitment and loyalty to the beliefs of the church. Not that we are against any who believes in evolution; in no way. However, if one works for the SDA church then one has, is duty bound, to subscribe to our beliefs or quit.
That is the only honest thing to do. No one can be an evolutionist and remain an Adventist. That is a contradiction in itself. Evolution cannot harmonize with the plan of salvation; we cannot therefore harmonize ourselves with the erroneous view of evolution.
Even the non-Adventist Christian scientists, like Ken Ham, Dr. Morris, and many others, laugh at us for such ignorant compromise. It is time for us to pull up our socks and get things fitting properly.
Ron D Henderson Also Commented
The ANN Highlights LSU’s Dr. Lee Grismer – An Evolutionary Biologist
Ken, I see you have missed my point. I never said that science cannot be empirical and that it must be biased. If you re-read what I said you will see that I am referring to ‘the interpretation of evidence.’ The issue is not science. As I said once, science is neutral. How science is explained is where the issue comes forward. We explain the evidences of science from our own worldview; especially do evolutionists try to hug the discipline as their sole jurisdiction. Those who do not agree with then are branded ‘ignorant,’ ‘religious,’ and so forth. I wish evidences were allowed to speak for themselves; but this is not permissible among the scientific community in our secular world. So while empirical evidence is fine in itself, sadly, the onlooker interprets it according to his worldview. Aren’t the great theories of Einstein being challenged today? I wonder why, Ken? Is it not true in our secular world, that when evidence points to God then that is religion and is unacceptable? but when it seems to point to the evolutionary model, then that is good science?!!
The ANN Highlights LSU’s Dr. Lee Grismer – An Evolutionary Biologist
As far as I am concerned, if the GRI guys abandon our Adventist model we are wasting our time and money supporting them; and it is high time they be removed. They do not speak for Adventism. There are many more scientists who have no problem with the creationist model, both in the church and outside of Adventism. And these non Adventist scientists are not simpletons. What would you call someone who believes that inorganic matter can become living matter? You may retort, what would you call someone who believes that a God created life? Now I say, well, let’s look at the evidence to see which is supported better, creation or evolution. And there we go again, preconceived ideas on both sides. However, putting aside preconceived ideas, the evidence supports creation more heavily than it does evolution. So does history, varied as it it. But when the majority today is on the side of evolution one can hardly argue with them. One has just to continue making one’s facts and researches known. But to tolerate our own teachers while they present views totally out of keeping with our Adventist’s views is self-defeating divisive. There are excellent DVDs printed that give great support for the creation model, these we need to purchase and share with others. Even listening to Dr. Veith, a former evolutionist, on Amazing Discoveries, is a great start.
The ANN Highlights LSU’s Dr. Lee Grismer – An Evolutionary Biologist
Hello, Folks,
Lest I be misunderstood let me clarify a statement I made in my previous post. The sentence is: “There is nothing in the fossil record that better highlights evolution than creation.” Sorry for the awkward clause. I meant to say that the fossil record does not highlight or support evolution in any way. Even Darwin admitted that the fossil record is the key to his theory. On the other hand, the fossil record supports creation much, much, more. There are no transitional forms found that are noteworthy(the few that are touted as transitional forms are just a bad joke). With the millions of different kinds of creatures that exist today and that existed in the past, there should be millions of transitional forms at every level to support them. On the contrary, those fossils found are all of complete forms that we know, or that may have existed. We must not and cannot allow scientists who call themselves Adventists to teach evolution as a fact in our institutions. They may believe what they wish; that is quite in order, but they are not honest when they teach these theories as though they were facts in our institutions they have pledged to uphold and support.
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