But I believe with total conviction that a LOT of …

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But I believe with total conviction that a LOT of evolution has happened largely by mechanisms that evolutionary biologists have elucidated and probably not at the rate you and others here believe- thousands of times faster than “evolutionists” accept, WHICH MAKES YOU PEOPLE THE EXTREME EVOLUTIONISTS!).

“Evolution” is thrown around a tad too much. For example, “evolution” could merely mean change. What tends to happen though is that some evolutionists (those believing in common ancestry, millions of years of life on earth, etc.) will use this definition as a starting point, so when the creationist concedes, yes we see change all around us, the evolutionist then makes the radical jump from “just” change to the gradual development of a simple to a more complex form.

Animals adapting to their environment isn’t evolving in the sense that it is becoming a more complex organism or that information is even magically being added to its DNA through natural selection or mutation.

So depending on what you mean by evolution, I would have to disagree that creationists (young earth) believe in extreme evolution. I certainly do believe there were extreme changes that occurred. A creationist, when using the word “evolution”, almost never is referring to the off beat definition of “just change,” but as it relates to the theory of evolution which promotes the idea that life evolved (simple to complex) from a common ancestor over millions of years.

I think it’s bit ironic that you’re calling those who believe in a 6,000 year old earth as “extreme evolutionists” when you yourself are comfortable with 10,000. That’s difference of 4,000 years. I wouldn’t necessarily call that extreme, but label it what you will.

My only point is that we need to be clear to our audience and to ourselves what we’re intending to mean when we use the word “evolution.”

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You are, in fact, highly judgemental and intolerant of views that differ with yours. Don’t pretend otherwise.

Are you highly judgmental and intolerant of people who are judgmental and intolerant? I don’t believe David claimed to be not judgmental period. I think he was talking about motives. We make judgments all the time. The Bible admonishes us to make good judgments. It’s also good to be intolerant of some views in certain contexts.


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ADvindicate has also published an article about LSU and Raul Diaz that expands on a few details.

http://advindicate.com/?p=2625


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@Eddie: The Bible does not specify an age of accountability (to my knowledge), but the Israelites considered the age of 12 to be the turning point. I wouldn’t base a theology off of tradition though. Also, it’s not our place to judge what happens to those who have not been able to make a decision.


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@Blodgett: Was there a comment you’d like to add?


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@David Read: And perhaps not something Christ would do. I can understand your frustration though. I’ve been on the verge of quitting this whole thing many times. I’ve been guilty of letting that frustration control and influence things I shouldn’t have said.

I have to remind myself to look at the big picture. In the end all those who are not supposed to be in the church will be sifted out. I pray I am not one of them.


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I know from talking to a couple of reporters from Press Enterprise and Inside Higher Ed that Randal Wisbey was effective in shutting down communication between any outsiders and the biology faculty. It appears he made himself the only channel of communication between the board and biology faculty.

I emailed Larry Becker about what bylaw the board members broke that was worthy of dismissal, and I have yet to hear a response from him.

I would also note that board members at other universities appear to be free to talk to the faculty.

Another interesting point. He removes three board members for trying to work on the problem and come up with a solution, and then turns around sort of embraces what they’re doing. He can’t publicly condemn it because everyone can see, whether you agree with what they wrote or not, that it’s a significant step for the faculty to be speaking to the church.

Did he forbid the document from being published? No. If you’re really excited about seeing the biology department making advancements in solving the issue, why are you removing the people who are making that happen. He never did anything like that.

What has Wisbey done to address and fix this issue? Nothing. He’s dragged it out, lied about what’s been happening, and told everyone involved to shut up or get in trouble. What on earth is he trying to do?

Who knows, he might even be a part of the underground movement to sever LSU from the church by using WASC as the big hammer. It’s obvious from one former board member, there was interest in using WASC to manipulate the situation.