Truth is the monument that never changes, our understanding of …

Comment on What is taught at LSU by BobRyan.

Truth is the monument that never changes, our understanding of truth is always improving. However some have assumed that to continue in our line of understanding means to deconstruct what we learned about truth yesterday.

While it is true that some blind alleys taken yesterday would need to be abandoned today once they are seen in the light of day – that is not the norm for advancing in truth. If it where this would be an endless cyle of stuck on square one always chasing your tail.

Advancement in truth is much more like a Saxon Math program for home schoolers. Establishing solid first principles – solid foundations and then building. In our early days when the church leaders were transitioning from other denominations to create this one, much of their “Advancement” in truth invovled deconstructing the fallacies embedded in their prior denominational doctrinal affiliations. But that history is long gone. The foundation we now have is the one that was built via that fresh Bible study effort and then affirmed through divine messages directly from God to a modern prophet. The foundation is in fact “reliable”. A non-stop sola scriptura review of that foundation by each new member that comes along – continues to show it to be solid. So also for experienced members who dig into more depth in that foundation so as to explain the point in more clarity to our fellow members and non-members alike.

The gardener “makes” the Garden. the carpenter builds the room. Our Creator God “creates life” in all of its diverse forms. This is the function of each. It is not “odd” that you would look at the room and attribute it to the Carpenter who built it. What is “odd” is to imagine things like “abiotic environments cause living cells to pop into existence” or “birds come from reptiles” or “vast decreases in entropy are to be expected”. The various foundational non-truths of evolutionism simply do not make sense beyond a kind of religious affirmation of naturalism.

in Christ,

Bob

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What is taught at LSU

Re Lydian’s Quote“And this wonderful “relationship” came about strictly by “chance” through the mindless process of evolution? Where does common sense enter into this discussion? Lydian(Quote)”Dear LydianAs always, great to see your comments. You remain young in mind and heart!Think about the similarity in the genomes between humans and chimpanzees, both highly intelligent primates. Does common sense tell us both species are highly related in composition? Did God intend this similarity and if so why? RegardsKen  (Quote)

Clearly we have no science at all telling us that “birds came from reptiles” not even “they look like each other” science.

The same is true for airplanes and birds, or submarines and whales. They may “look” somewhat alike – but that does not mean that one produced the other or that both are not designed or that either of them will just “arive” on their own if you lot rocks, water and sunlight do their thing long enough.

Evolutionary science needs to be engaged in a bit more science and a bit less imaginative fiction.

in Christ,

Bob


What is taught at LSU
Lydian – when this news first came out over a year ago – many people posted here claiming that no such thing was happening at LSU. And to be fair to them – a number of LSU voices have been heard here trying to make it appear that promotion of evolutionism as the right doctrine on origins – was not going on.

Even now – some people are still “uninformed” and are believing some of the LSU PR campaign stories about LSU being fully supportive of SDA doctrines that so flatly deny evolutionism.

But the LSU biology and religion professors that teach evolutionism as fact are NOT coming here and denying that this is what they are doing. SDA parents and would be students are now less excusable than they were in the past for not-knowing about the problem. Now if they choose to embrace what some have called the “worst form of infidelity” then so beit. That is their choice.

The rest of us need to pray for a reform in the church.

in Christ,

Bob


What is taught at LSU
Susie said

LSU supports, coddles and defends those who don’t follow the church’s stated fundamental beliefs, but any “conservative” who tries to stand up for the basic church foundations is denigrated, smeared and bullied

Very true. And if we simply turn a blind eye to the doctrine of evolutionism being taught as the right answer for a doctrine on origins in our schools – then we will get a lot of “blessings on you my son” from our evolutionist friends.

But if we dare to “notice” — that they are preaching and evangelizing for a non-Christian doctrine on origins (as even 3SG 90-91 observed almost 120 years ago) – then suddenly the evolutionists will find it ‘uncaring’ that we should “notice” what they are doing. They seem to prefer the days when Adventist parents unwittingly paid big bucks to send their children to an Adventist University instead of a public university – only to have their child return home completely rejecting the Bible doctrine on origins while embracing the junk-science alchemy that “birds come from reptiles”.

in Christ,

Bob


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Academic Freedom Strikes Again!

george:
By definition, I don’t believe in miracles or apocryphal, anthropomorphic stories about same.Why aren’t scientists observing them today if they occur?

Circular argument. If they were naturally occurring we would expect scientists to see that they are still occurring today. If they are singular events caused by an intelligent being – that being would be under no obligation to “keep causing world wide floods” as if “to do it once you must continually do it”. Armstrong went to the moon.. shall we argue that unless he keeps going to the moon so each new generation can see it … then it did not happen?

Your argument is of the form “all eye witness evidence to some event in the past is no evidence at all unless that event keeps repeating itself so we too can witness it”. Seems less than compelling.

“Could it be that science is better able to detect hoaxes and false claims?” As a rule for dismissing every eye witness account in the past – it is less than compelling. (even when that event cannot be repeated)

Evolutionists “claim” that dust, rocks and gas (in sufficient quantity and over sufficient time and a lot of luck) self organized into rabbits via prokaryote-then-eukaryote-then-more-complexity. But such self-organization cannot be “observed” today.

(What is worse – such a sequence cannot even be intelligently manipulated to occur in the lab)

By your own argument then you should not believe in evolution.


Academic Freedom Strikes Again!
@Sean Pitman:

Suppose you were at a crime scene … there is a tree limb on the ground and a bullet hole in the victim — “all natural causes”? or is one ‘not natural’? Those who say that nothing can be detected as “not naturally occurring in nature” – because all results, all observations make it appear that every result “naturally occurred without intelligent design” seem to be missing a very big part of “the obvious”.


Academic Freedom Strikes Again!

george:
Gentlemen,

What just God would allow an innocent child to be born guilty for the sins of a distant ancestor? …What if there was only One Commandment? Do Good. ‘Kant’ see a problem with that.

An atheist point of view is not often found here – but this is interesting.

1. God does not punish babies for what someone else did – but I suppose that is a reductionist option that is not so uncommon among atheists. The “details” of the subject you are commenting on – yet according to you “not reading” – is that humans are born with sinful natures. A “bent” toward evil. That is the first gap right out of the gate between atheism and God’s Word..

2. But still God supernaturally enables “free will” even in that bent scenario, the one that mankind lives in – ever since the free-will choice of the first humans on planet earth – was to cast their lot in with Satan and rebellion..(apparently they wanted to see what a wonderful result that poor choice would create). John 16 “the Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin and righteousness and judgment”. And of course “I will draw ALL mankind unto Me” John 12:32. (not “just Christians”). Thus supernatural agency promotes free will in a world that would otherwise be unrestrained in its bent to evil.

3.God says “The wages of sin is death” — so then your “complaint” is essentially “that you exist”. A just and loving God created planet Earth – no death or disease or suffering – a perfect paradise where mankind could live forever … and only one tiny restriction… yet Adam and Eve allowed themselves to be duped by Satan… tossing it all away. The “Just God” scenario could easily just have let them suffer the death sentence they chose. He did not do that… hence “you exist” – to then “complain about it”.

4. Of course you might also complain that Satan exists – and Satan might complain that “you exist”. There is no shortage on planet earth of avenues for complaint. But God steps in – offers salvation to mankind at infinite cost to himself – – and the “Few” of Matthew 7 eventually end up accepting that offer of eternal life. The rest seem to prefer the lake of fire option… sort of like Adam and Eve choosing disease and death over eternal life (without fully appreciating the massive fail in that short-sighted choice).

In any case – this thread is about the logic/reason that should be taken into account when a Christian owned and operated institution chooses to stay faithful to its Christian mission — rather then getting blown about by every wind of doctrine. Why let the alchemy of “wild guessing” be the ‘source of truth’ when we have the Bible?? We really have no excuse for that. As for science – we can be thankful that it has come as far along as it has – but no matter how far back you rewind the clock of our science history – we should always have chosen the Bible over wild guessing.


Newly Discovered Human Footprints Undermine Evolutionary Assumptions

Ervin Taylor:
Perhaps Dr. Pitman would enlighten his readers what on earth “the neo-Darwinian story of origins” might be. Darwin did not address origins.

Origins of what?? the first eukaryote??
Or “origins of mankind”??

Darwin himself claimed that his own false doctrine on origins was totally incompatible with Genesis and that because of this – Genesis must be tossed under a bus.

hint: Genesis is an account of “Origins” as we all know — even though “bacteria” and “amoeba” are terms that don’t show up in the text.

The point remains – Darwin was promoting his own religion on origins totally counter to the Bible doctrine on origins. He himself addresses this point of the two views.


Newly Discovered Human Footprints Undermine Evolutionary Assumptions

Ervin Taylor:
Here we go again.If the footprints upon close examination, are determined not to be from a hominim/hominid, I wonder if Educate Truth (sic) will announce that determination.Or if the date of the surface is determined to be much younger, will there be a notice placed on fundamentalist web-sites.If you believe the answer to these questions are yes, I have a big bridge that I would like to sell you for pennies on the dollar.

Here we go again … hope piled upon hope…no matter the “observations in nature” that disconfirm the classic evolutionary hypothesis

Reminds me of “What we still don’t know” by Martin Reese and Leonard Suskind