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@Sean Pitman: While it is true that Ellen comments on the heavenly trio does she say there are three Gods or does she say one Father, One Son and Their Spirit? EW 55 states “Jesus would breathe upon them the Holy Ghost. In that breath was light, power, and much love, joy, and peace.” I am not so inclined to believe that J.N Andrews was wrong and that he is in conflict with Ellen. She never referred to the trinity and for good reason, because she also believed as J.N. Andrews. Jesus said, “I will not leave you comfortless: I (emphasis on I) will come to you.” and Jesus said, “we (Jesus and the Father) will come unto him, and make our abode with him. How will he (they) come to me? Through The Spirit of Truth (Jesus). “Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally.” “The Holy Spirit is Himself (Jesus) divested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. He (Jesus) would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent.” It is not appropriate to call this the Trinity. The Trinity is as JN Andrews described and is, it appears, that our church today has taken a firm and unrelenting stand on this teaching. So again I ask, should my membership in the SDA church be based on the 28 fundamental creed? I say no. Leave some room for the still small voice.

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What does it take to be a true Seventh-day Adventist?
“The doctrine of the Trinity which was established in the church by the council of Nice, A. D. 325. This doctrine destroys the personality of God, and his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. The infamous measures by which it was forced upon the church which appear upon the pages of ecclesiastical history might well cause every believer in that doctrine to blush.” {J. N. Andrews, Review & Herald, March 6, 1855} Can I be an SDA if I believe like J.N. Andrews? I believe in the Bible rather than a creed as now stated in the 28 fundamental beliefs. These beliefs back in 1872 did not include the trinity and they were not even called beliefs, they were called principles.


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PUC responds
Ahh yes, the tension here is so thick, you could cut it with a chainsaw. Well its time i give my two cents…Someone once said “perception is reality” however i wonder if his statement was a subjective analysis or an objective one! So in light of pontificating more and more, lets lay down where i come from (from my perspective!)
1. I watched the video
2. I have friends who were in the class during the presentation
3. I have parents in my congregation who intentionally send their children to PUC for a “SDA” education…

Weighting the current criteria, i have to say…we need to be very careful about dogging PUC, or even the professors there. The church from the inception is based upon the diversity of personalities, community of service, and unity of beliefs. Church includes(get this!) even the hospitals(yup!) and schools(wowsers!)–If it bears the nike patch, it nike! If it bears the SDA patch, its SDA. If it receieves monetary assistance from the church, its role is to support the church fully. So in light of this development, lets roll up the sleeves and jump in.

In all honesty and fairness,…

a-After watching the video, i have to say there’s enough context to say whats going on. This is a presentation of the support that mother earth is an old, old, old lady and that the flood was a fish pond in arizona.

b-The professor is clearly, clearly in support of these views. This isn’t the ol professor-like “lets think harder” classroom. He seems to support these views and know notice the steel logic! One who supports a view then presents it, obviously falls in the category of “teaching it..” (gasping for air!) You cannot separate the two-its inexorable locked. When as a professor you present anything and lend your support to it, you are intentionally, purposefully, unequivocally leading your hearers to accept what you believe.

c-Church institutions (rem nike?) such as schools are supposed to present, explain, and defend the fundamentals of the church. This isn’t up for personal discussion, its what the majority decided a long long time ago…Dont like, change your name…PUC has a SDA logo branded on its wing, therefore its primary purpose is make SDAs. Its secondary purpose to educate people in a variety of fields to become productive, law-abiding SDAS in the world-ie adventist lawyers, adventist doctors, and even adventist pastors?! If i want my kid a catholic, i m sending him to a catholic school…its the nature of the beast…lol. Use the name, expect the same!

In conclusion,
The video is a professor promoting contrary beliefs in a context not warranted by the majority (they can change it if they want to) But currently, the GC and PUC hold that SDA beliefs are to be advertised, promoted, taught, explained, defended, championed, and finally inculcated into young, growing, impressionable adventists…This my friends, is not SDA. Grow up…. 🙂

Pastor KK


PUC responds
@Pastor KK:
When i say “this my friends, is not SDA” i mean that the video presentation is not in accordance of the majority’s holding of SDA beliefs.. 🙂