Exactly Dave, Jesus said that people SHOULD believe God’s …

Comment on The Sabbath’s relevance to the debate about origins by Ron Stone M.D..

Exactly Dave, Jesus said that people SHOULD believe God’s Word, not that it was just some fairy tale, metaphor, or allegory. Jesus consistently told His followers to believe God’s Truth, not to try to make up some excuse NOT to believe it. Which is the opposite of what liberals do.

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The Sabbath’s relevance to the debate about origins

Permit me to take this one step further. Consider this:We were discussing the LSU/Evolution problem in SS this past Sabbath. One of the class members stated that Evolutionism is every bit a religion just as Christianity, Buddhism, Satanism or any other belief system is. When one looks at it this way it is easier to understand why they will not give up their belief system. However a person cannot be true to more than one “religion” at any given time. So, those at LSU who are teaching and believers of Darwinian Evolution are not, in the truest sense of the word Adventists, no matter what they say. When they attempt to deceive anyone by putting up a front they are Adventists, good or otherwise, and just making use of academic freedom, are not true to either belief system.Something to think about,Bill  

You’re absolutely correct, Bill. Evolution is a “worldview” just as emotionally held as Christianity or other religions. The choice between choosing God’s Truth over humanistic philosophy is a choice we all have to make.


The Sabbath’s relevance to the debate about origins

LSU, by definition is an institution of higher learning.Where else is it more important than to have all theories present and accounted for…

Dave, As Sean has already begun to state, your personal “interpretation” of history is not very accurate. Would you please tell us who espouses such a theory of the Sabbath at LLU? I could guess, but I won’t, since it might be censored.


The Sabbath’s relevance to the debate about origins

Genesis 1 clearly states that God created the universe in six ordinary length days.While the word “day” has a variety of possible meanings, the meaning intended by an author is always specified by the context.The context in Genesis 1 is “evening and morning, one day.”The author clearly intended the word to mean an ordinary-length day.The Ten Commandments, which God wrote down with His own finger in stone, confirm this conclusion.The Fourth Commandment says that the Israelites were to observe the Sabbath as a memorial to the fact that God created the universe in six days.Jesus was totally committed to the authority of the Scriptures, particularly the writings of Moses (which begin with Genesis), and He said that we must do so too.Jesus said that if we do not believe what Moses wrote we could not believe what He said, because Moses wrote about Him.Jesus claimed to be the God whom Moses wrote about, and He claimed that the writings of Moses provided the foundation for His incarnation, atonement and resurrection.Jesus made it a condition of Christian discipleship that we believe what He says.The honor and glory of God as Creator are revealed in His work of creation.God defines himself throughout the Bible as the Creator.His honor and glory are shown forth in His work of creation, so it is logically absurd for Christians to worship God as Creator, but then to refuse to believe what He says on the subject of creation.  

Jim, I don’t know where you live, but out here in California, we have some who have different views on what Genesis says. Liberals claim to have some different “interpretations” of those so-called “real,24 hour days.”

This is called postmodern “present truth” for all those SDA’s that believe in Ellen White and all those other old fashioned backwaters from the 19th century.

So Jesus said He believed in the literal Genesis story? He was simply, as Paul, Moses, and the rest of those old fogies, just a product of His paternalistic Jewish culture. Or, as some say, He didn’t want to “upset the apple cart” and tell us the “real story” because we were too dumb to understand.

And, as far as God “defining Himself” through the Bible? Well, there are many other ways He “defines” himself, including “feelings” “worldly culture” and humanistic philosophy. And these may “trump” all that biblical stuff, mainly because it’s more “relevant” to us today.

Can you see why we have the current situation at LSU?!


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My Goal for La Sierra University

The reason the LaSierra situation has gone uncorrected so long is that most of our administrators have exactly the sort of political instincts that Dan Jackson has. They are politicians and consensus builders; they want to keep the peace and make the trains run on time. But the circumstances call for men of principle, hard men who are willing to stand for the right “though the heavens fall,” i.e., regardless who is offended and loudly complains.

Dave, I agree with you. Jackson’s trying to play on “both teams” is not going to go well for him.

Unfortunately, politics is the “SOP” of many of our SDA officials, Jackson being just one. “Political instincts” are the rule, instead of actually doing what is “right” according to what we know in God’s Word.


Bradley, Beach and Kaatz retain attorney

Shane Hilde: Think big fish: LSU or the Seventh-day Adventist Church.Graham might not have followed procedure with these men, but I don’t know what the procedure is. I’ve read what the process is in the faculty handbook, but I don’t know if that applies to administrative positions which are at will employees. If it does apply to them, then it appears the process was not followed.

Trustees book says, in 6,9,F, that the Trustes may “discontinue” virtually anyone working at the university.

Does that mean to “fire” or to “force their resignation? Seems like it does.


My Goal for La Sierra University

GMF: If what has been reported about Jackson is correct it is very troubling. Also, one can only wonder why he was selected as the NAD President.I’ve seen a thing or two which made me wonder about Jackson but this report, if true, has to be the worst. May the Good Lord help us!

Jackson was selected to replace Don Schneider, who was also very “passive” in his approach to this problem.

Besides telling Wisbey to “love Jesus” Jackson did virtually nothing.


My Goal for La Sierra University
Sean, Great summary and analysis of the current situation. Another good review of this matter is in the Jan-March 2011 Elders Journal. It also goes into the 2004 evaluation and recommendations, as you have quoted.


Bradley, Beach and Kaatz retain attorney
How about a “class action” suit against anyone and everyone who has heard the tape or has heard OF the tape?