Ken I cannot claim to have searched the realities of our …

Comment on NCSE Report: Adventist Education in the Midst of a Sea of Science by Charles.


I cannot claim to have searched the realities of our existence from multiple views. I grew up in the SDA church in the 50s and 60s. The SDA message in those days was more “pure” or “conservative” than it is today. But the fundamental message is still (today) the same.

In SDA elementary school, I learned about the flood of people who fled Europe to escape the persecution of the Roman system (“church”). I learned about the “Dark Ages” where millions were tortured and murdered for their faith by the Roman system. I learned about the 1260 years of horrible reign by this evil corrupt system that began with the establishment of this system in 538 and extended to 1798 when the pope was taken captive by Napolean to France – where he died. (This was known as the “deadly wound” of Rev 13:3) But it is a wound – not a death. So the text says that it was “healed”. Those who have carefully studied and understand this and other prophetic texts, can see that the healing has happened and we know by this and other prophecy that in due time, this pagan system of worship will rule the world again. Part of that is a “Sunday Law” (or laws) that enforce a false “Sabbath”. Adventists believe there will finally be an attempt at enforcement of Sunday (their mark of authority – in opposition to God’s mark of authority – the Sabbath).

That is about all I can say in a short message. In the end, the world will polarize into two groups: Those who worship “the beast and his image” and those who worship the Creator. Rev 13:3 says “all the world wondered after the beast” (excepting the remnant).

Okay my friend –
I will not try to conduct an evangelistic campaign in this forum. But I attempted to answer your question. Sunday laws are again making ground in Europe. The unrest in the elements and peoples of the world are signs as well. The signs are stark and real to those of us who are watching. Others will “sleep” through it all.

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NCSE Report: Adventist Education in the Midst of a Sea of Science
From this weeks SS lesson – (Sunday)

“…if you believe the world began by chance, you most likely believe it will end that way, as well. This view doesn’t really leave much hope for those in between such a beginning and such and end, does it?”

I love the song –
“We have this hope that burns within our hearts…”

NCSE Report: Adventist Education in the Midst of a Sea of Science
I have been following this forum for quite a long time now. I have not yet seen anyone who appeared to win an argument here.

Time is so very short. It seems that hardly anyone on this forum recognizes the lateness of time. We are on the threshold of Jesus next coming.

The world is now in the “time of trouble”. Some of us have not been directly hit by it yet. But look around the world and see the signs. In Europe there are “Sunday Laws”. In much of the world, there is starvation and decimation of populations by disease. We are seeing more frequent calamities and they are increasing in severity.

NOW is the time to seal our relationship with HIM. Witness of this to everyone you can. Help them find a relationship with the Holy Spirit and He will lead them to the truth. Pray, Pray, and Pray.

I wish you a blessed Sabbath day.

NCSE Report: Adventist Education in the Midst of a Sea of Science
In the days of Elijah, there were established the “schools of the prophets”. These were the models of SDA schools, in their beginning. Where could we look today to see a school modeled after these schools? What would they teach? Would they be preparing young people to earn generous salaries for a long life on this earth? Or would they train them to finish the work of the 3 angels messages and thus bring an end to the circumstances here?

What have others done in the past to model the schools of the prophets? What about the Waldenses? Would any of these school have been able to carry the accreditation of the worlds’s institutions?

The bottom line is: How long do we as SDA people believe that we have left on this earth? Really! True, we don’t know the “day nor the hour”… but can we not know that it is near? “Even at the door”?

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No matter how the FBs are worded, there will be contention about it.

Anyone who has fully embraced this message realizes that the days to Jesus’ coming are few. Thus it behooves us to be about the work of proclaiming the unique ADVENTIST message to a world that is facing impending doom.

May I suggest the sermons of Jeremiah Davis. (can be found on Youtube)

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@gene fortner: I don’t think anyone really knows what powers were being exercised on 9/11. Clearly the airliners were involved.

It was an event that changed the world in ways that top-down powers would yearn for.

No point in speculation… I think Veith probably was mistaken to do that deep dive and it seems that he has quietly backed away from it.

The thing we must focus on is to “Turn your eyes upon Jesus….” Clearly, we are in “the last days”.

LSU Removes Dr. Lee Grismer as Chairman of the Biology Department
@David Read: I find Veith’s “theorizing” regarding “conspiracies” to be spot on and on topic.

There is a great “conspiracy” – otherwise known as “The Great Controversy”. It is the ultimate reality of our rebellious little world today. AND it is the foundation of all of these other problems we deal with.


LSU Removes Dr. Lee Grismer as Chairman of the Biology Department
Evidence that God is in control. LSU could become a beacon of light shining on the truth of our world an how we came to be here. That is as it should be.

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I believe we are involved in a Mount Carmel experience. As this world is hurling toward the great climactic “END”, we will see more and greater attacks against the truth by the great deceiver. The prophets of Baal will become bolder and more feverish. (Remember that the prophets of Baal on Mt Carmel were much from within the nation of Israel.)

What a day of reckoning it will be when “at such a time as we think not” that great cloud approaches this world. The signs today are loud and bold. Jesus is coming. Spread the word.