Comment on Board requests progress reports from LSU administration by Stephen Vicaro.
Geanna Dane: Ironically, as Stephen Vicaro points out Ellen White described examples of “blind faith†(clearly misplaced) in the Bible, which of course contradicts the claim that there is no “blind faith†in the Bible. So without doubt she established that blind faith IS a reality in the Bible. So the question then is weather blind faith in God exists and I dont see why it would not.
Hi again Geanna.
Are we easily distracted? Of course, I meant that there is no endorsement of blind faith in the Bible. Thank you so much for helping me to make my point more clear.
Geanna Dane: If Paul and others truly converted many Gentiles, how was there faith any diffrent other than being based on word of INFORMED men?
Ah, now we have some clarity as to your view of Scripture. It appears that you are saying that Paul’s divine ispiration from the Holy Spirit is on equal ground with people like the science professors at LSU. But if I am not mistaken, those professors do not believe in the divine inspiration of the Bible, nor do they claim to be prophets. Peter declared Paul’s writings to be Scripture in 2 Peter 3:15, and 2 Peter 3:16. This all confirms the point that God’s Word is the guiding factor. Again, our faith is not blind if God is guiding us through His established Word. Do you believe that the whole Bible is divinely inspired and trustworthy?
Geanna Dane: By the way what did Jesus mean by becoming “born again†other than to discard all of ones preconceived notions and experiences (ie. evidence?)?
You should really study this passage before you apply it in this way.
Geanna Dane: Sorry but I dont get the point of any of this or how it has any bearing what soever on La Sierra. We are saved by grace through faith and why should we belief that grace is extended only to “evidentiary†faith.
I am sorry, but I don’t understand your question. When did I state that grace is only extended to “evidentiary” faith? I think you may be at the end of your argument. Forgive me please, I am not trying to offend you. But these are serious matters. We do not have the luxery of being anything other than strait forward.
If you believe that you are saved by grace, what do you base that on? If you base it on Scripture then you must believe that it has authority. Unless you believe that only certain parts of Scripture have authority. In which case you make yourself the judge of God’s Word. So, we should all follow you, or the professors at LSU, instead of following God’s Word. I doubt it!
How are we saved if you believe that the creation story is not literally true, just as the Bible states it, in six 24-hour days? Don’t you think it matters? There is nothing more relevant. If the creation story is not true, then all of the Christian faith is a lie.
Faith is based on God’s Word, not on “evidentiary” science. If the science contradicts God’s Word, it is false, and “blind.”
“To recognize God in his works, is true science.” The Present Truth, November 4, 1886, EGW
“We shall have to contend earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints. Because finite men do not comprehend the power and greatness of God, science, falsely so-called, and religion will be placed in opposition to each other, and “of your ownselves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.” There will be among us those who will so blind their eyes that they will fail to perceive the most wonderful and important truths for this time. Truths which are essential to the safety and salvation of men will be set aside, while ideas that are in comparison to the truth as the merest atoms, will be dwelt upon, and magnified by the power of Satan, so that they will appear of the utmost importance. The moral sight of those who forsake truth has become dim; and yet they do not feel their need of the heavenly anointing, that they may discern spiritual things. They think themselves too wise to err. But those who have not a daily experience in the things of God will not move wisely.” The Review and Herald, January 31, 1893 “Seek First the Kingdom of God,” EGW
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“I was then carried back to the creation, and was shown that the first week, in which God performed the work of creation in six days and rested on the seventh day, was just like every other week. The great God, in his days of creation and day of rest, measured off the first cycle as a sample for successive weeks till the close of time. “These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created.” God gives us the productions of his work at the close of each literal day. Each day was accounted of him a generation, because every day he generated or produced some new portion of his work. On the seventh day of the first week God rested from his work, and then blessed the day of his rest, and set it apart for the use of man. The weekly cycle of seven literal days, six for labor and the seventh for rest, which has been preserved and brought down through Bible history, originated in the great facts of the first seven days.” EGW, The Spirit of Prophecy, Volume One, pages 86-87
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Bravus:
I have not read your previous comments about the six possible positions you available. For my sake, please repeat them.
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I believe in creation and I have no iidea what your imaginary circle is and see no relevance whatsoever..
I’m sorry Geanna, but there is no way that your views and arguments reflect that of a creationist!
Video show LSU undermining church doctrine
For years, I have feared that Adventism is intellectually dead. No one has been willing to discuss our lack of scientific evidence for a recent Creation. And, here you are making sure that nothing will change.
Carl, again, we are talking about he Seventh-day Adventist “CHURCH.” We put a higher authority in what God has said, as opposed to what man says. Why do you think that the so called “discoveries” of athiests should be able to persuade Christians to abandon the Bibles clear statements, including the very words of Christ Himself? Should we also believe those same atheists when they tell us, “it is impossible to prove that there is a God, therefore we should assume that He does not exist”? If you want to hang with that crowd then please do! The next thing you might tell us is that God did not know how we came to be!
Student reveals true intent of LSU’s biology seminar class
Were you asleep during this presentation that like Trenchard and Guy FULLY SUPPORTED THE TRADITIONAL BELIEFS OF THE CHURCH? Or did you decide that being highly selective with your examlpses would be more effective to support your claim that LSU is undermining Adventist faith?
I am sorry to say this Geanna, but I think that you were the one who was asleep during those lectures. Those guys spoke right over your head. You completely missed all of the subtleties of their heresy.
Why did you not mention the wonderful lecture by Webster, another religion faculty member who reassured us that every one of the following threats from science to the Adventist church can be met:
1. Threat to propitiation model of atonement – if death is not “the wages of sinâ€, but necessary to evolution-creation-life, then the whole purpose of salvation is lost. No fall, no Savior.
HOW? Please enlighten us on how these conflicting views, evolutionary origins and the atonement, can be met.
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Carl,
We don’t change our Biblical beliefs on theories based in scientific interpretation. The interpretations change too frequently for that.
If you really find no satisfaction in what the Seventh-day Adventist Church believes, then why are you one? I am certainly NEVER going to join the Masons, the Harry Potter’s Fan Club or the Communist party because I am diametrically opposed to what they stand for. Why would anyone insist on forcing themselves to be a part of an organization that it is fundamentally opposed to at its foundation, and then try to change it? That seems illogical for a group of people who claim to be so logically based.
The SDA Church is founded upon the Bible as the infallible Word of God, the Atonement of Christ as the solution to the death problem that our sins brought upon us, and that God is the Creator of all things Who can make something out of nothing without the necessity of the laps of time. No of these beliefs can cohabitate with theistic evolution.
Carl, please explain to me how we are saved if we are to accept geological interpretations that originated with atheists? Yes, it matters!
Video show LSU undermining church doctrine
Virtually every one of you considers it fact that the speakers are undermining Adventist beliefs. But is your opinion a fact or is it a hypothesis?
Geanna,
I am really trying to understand your view. I mean this as gently as I can possibly state it. It appears that you really don’t know what the Seventh-day Adventist Church teaches at all. These professors would not just openly state, “The Bible cannot be trusted” or “Science is superior to the Bible.” However, everything they appear to be standing for undermines what the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy teach about origins.
Geanna, if you understood the original, you would recognize the counterfeit. You have not gotten a Christian education in the Biology department. And according to Fritz Guy’s demonstration you obviously have not gotten a Christian education in the Theology department either. This is not obvious to you because you do not have the foundation of the truth to guide you. I’m afraid my statements will only anger you more. I am sorry that you can’t see through the deception that LSU has fed you.
