Ron said: Faith, Your Feb. 13 comment is completely correct. “Thumbing …

Comment on Board requests progress reports from LSU administration by Faith.

Ron said:
Faith, Your Feb. 13 comment is completely correct. “Thumbing their nose” is actually a rather “benign” way to put it. We’ve got a BIGGER problem than LSU in the Pacific Union Conference! Graham and his “do nothing” cronies need to be held accountable for their lack of leadership over the years. But, whose gonnna “hold ‘em?”

Ultimately God will, but I don’t think He wants us to wait for the Judgment Day to fix this. I believe He wants this fixed now – and, Ron, I too, wonder who will be the one to step in and fix this mess.

I am sorry to hear that it is a bigger problem than just LSU in this conference. Throughout my lifetime I have heard incredible stories of error running through the church in various institutions and the California conferences. I didn’t give them much credence at the time because I couldn’t believe anyone who belonged to our church could do such things, and that pastors would let it go on, let alone encourage it. I stand corrected. My heart just bleeds for our church and those who are being misled.

As church librarian, I have run across a quite a few books in the ABC that I feel should never have been printed. Now that they have been, however,they should be taken out and promptly burned, because they flaunt our church values so blatantly. What is happening in our publishing houses? Are they so greedy for money that they will print books that will lead people astray? At one time, R&H burned for that type of thing and since Pacific Press has also printed a number of things of which I speak, I think they had better be bumping up their fire insurance in a hurry. I am so disappointed in our periodicals such as the Review. It has become a channel for error as well.

Everything seems to be in such rags and tatters that if we had not been counselled to stay with the church, because it will go through to the end, I would be seriously thinking of finding/starting something else. God help us all.

Faith

Faith Also Commented

Board requests progress reports from LSU administration
@David Kendall, BMus, MA:

“I am interested to know which books you find objectionable and why.
…Regarding your book-burning comment, I hope you are speaking metaphorically, as book-burnings evoke a strong Inquisition/Communist Russia/Nazi Germany imagery that you obviously do not intend.”

David,

I would be happy to give you an example of these books and why I think they should be burned–and I do think they should be burned–but I think it would be disrepectful to use this site which exists to discuss the specific problem of Creation vs. Evolution being taught at LSU. I don’t want to take the focus off the subject as is being attmepted by Erv Taylor above.

I have many concerns about the direction the church seems to be taking in a number of areas. The day I posted that comment I was particularly discouraged with the error in the church. I apologize to Shane and Sean for opening that particular can of worms here and I promise not to pursue it further on their site by giving you the long answer to your enquiry.

That being said, I am not sure how to contact you privately–I don’t feel comfortable posting my email address here as I am quite sure my e-mail would be jammed within a very short time. I don’t have the time to deal with all that mail as I am currently taking college courses online and am particularly busy at the present moment. (Thus the delay in answering your post.)

I feel strongly about the truth being misrepresented in print. As far as I am concerned, that does more damage than if someone spoke it…the spoken word is more easily forgotten than the printed word which can be circulated for years to come. I am saddened that our publications (books and periodicals) are promoting error within our church.

As to your comment on book-burning, I seem to recall a situation in the Bible (Acts 19:19) where book-burning was employed to rid the new Christian believers of Satanic teachings. (Heavy sigh) It is funny how book-burning has come to be connected with “Inquisition/Communist Russia/Nazi Germany imagery”. Political correctness is often used by Satan to prevent protest while he continues to infiltrate the church with his creeping compromise. I just happen to believe that our publishing houses shouldn’t be used to promote Satan’s teachings. As the editors have not done their job and rejected these manuscripts, the logical “fix” would be to get rid of the published heresy. Sorry if that offends some people, but I believe it is right and proper. And I know that flies in the face of “freedom of speech” which is also used by both sides of the cosmic conflict. Consider this: what if Pacific Press or R&H did publish a book of spells–would you think that grounds for book-burning? The books I am referring to may not be as blatant as a book of spells–but they hold spiritualism in a more subtle form.

Enough said here. I wish I could contact you some other way.

Faith


Board requests progress reports from LSU administration
Let’s face it, the board, the administration, the faculty senate–they are all thumbing their noses at the SDA church. This is a delaying tactic. They are hoping that we will go away and leave them alone to do things their own way. (Fat chance!) My guess is that the majority of the board are actually in compliance with the professors and also believe in TE.

As to the comment about Jesus and His working with Judas, this is entirely different. Judas had secret sins. Even his fellow disciples didn’t know what Judas was up to–only God knew his heart. What is happening at LSU is open rebellion. It needs to be dealt with immediately to stop the bleed of young people being shuttled out of the church.

My message to the members of the board:
You need to either get the integrity to do what is right at once, or leave your position. Please remember that you have a God to answer to. If you don’t put a stop to this immediately you will be responsible to God for the souls that are lost as a result of this heresy being taught in this institution.

There is a quotation in Early Writings that you need to think about.It is in the section entitled “The Earth Desolated”, which describes what happens on the earth after Christ has returned and taken His people to heaven.

“The false shepherds had been the signal objects of Jehovah’s wrath. Their eyes had consumed away in their holes, and their tongues in their mouths, while they stood upon their feet.”–Early Writings P.289-290

You dare not delay in correcting this situation, if you are to escape this horrible punishment.

Faith


Recent Comments by Faith

Changing the Wording of Adventist Fundamental Belief #6 on Creation
And you are correct, Sean, PK must consider where his influence is going–for God or against Him.


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Mr Taylor,

After reading your comment above, I must say PK isn’t the only one in that boat.I would make some comment as to how I really feel about you, but I know Sean will only delete it and you won’t benefit from my insight anyway–seeing as Sean is more concerned about other people’s feelings than you seem to be.

How you have the nerve to come to this website and call us all a bunch of morons (which is really what you are doing) is beyond me. You and your cronies are the ones drowning in error. Anyone who dares to accept man’s opinions over the Bible or SOP isn’t to be trusted to define truth for anyone.

Too straight-forward in my comment? Trust me, I have restrained myself admirably. If you only knew….


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Further to my comment on skeptism and our professors, I’ve got to tell you that I found Prof Kent to be extremely annoying in his comments on EGW. He seems to think that she is an embarrassment to the church when she speaks on Science.

Personally I find people who dis her to be the embarrassment to the church. I really don’t see how they dare to contradict and mock God’s prophet. By doing this they undermine a lot of our church’s beliefs to outsiders as well as church members. God will hold them accountable for that.

Furthermore, David’s unpublished manuscript plus other books I have read on archaeology have reported skeletons of the type that EGW mentions. Also found were artifacts such as huge iron bedsteads made for and buried with kings of huge stature.

Just because you haven’t done your research, PK, don’t jump to the conclusion the evidence isn’t there. It’s there, all right, and you make yourself look a little foolish for not knowing about it.


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
David Read said:

“Ellen White’s statements about larger antediluvian life forms are well attested with regard to many different types of flora and fauna. They’re not even controversial…

Hi David,

As you know, I took advantage of your kind offer and I read your manuscript as well as I purchased 3 of your books, one for me, one for my sisters, and one for the church library. It took me a week to finish the book, and I and my sisters are very impressed with it. My one sister calls it “one incredible book”. It has answered a lot of the questions we had on the subject of evolution vs creation science, and, yes, I believe we (you and I and my sisters) are on the same page in our beliefs. We have immensely enjoyed discussing the various aspects of the subject as we read. It makes perfect sense to us.

I still have a couple of questions–new ones will probably always keep popping up–but I would say you have covered the subject admirably. Thanks so much for this book.

I agree with Elder Wilson, this is something every Adventist should read. In my opinion it should be used as required reading for science courses. It is exactly the way I would want science courses in the universities to treat the Creation/evolution debate in the classroom. And if the professors at LSU and the other SDA institutions would do this we wouldn’t be constantly losing our young people and, for that matter, our professors, to skeptisism.

Thank God someone has the courage to publish the truth and expose error.

God Bless you, David.


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Hi Sean and Bill,

I am wondering if the difference of opinion here is due to varying definitions of the word ‘science’. As we all know there is true science and there is worldly psuedo-science.

If Bill’s understanding of ‘science’ in this case is actually worldly psuedo-science, then he is correct in not wanting any truth to be compromised with it.

From Sean’s post, I believe he is referring to true science, which is definitely part of our beliefs on origins and is well supported by the Bible and SOP, as Sean admirably demonstrated.

Not having seen the exhibit myself, I cannot comment on whether or not they are mixing psuedo-science into it. (Perhaps a few of you posters out there can see the exhibit and report back to us.) Knowing the general philosophy of SAU, I would be surprised if they did.

Their goal is “to provide scientific evidence that substantiates the Bible’s account of creation.” Sounds good to me.
They also say: “Religion and science don’t need to be at odds.” And that is true when you are referring to true science, which I believe they are.

However, I do understand Bill’s reaction in that these days when people use the word ‘science’ without qualification it so often means evolutionary pseudoscience, that we tend to be suspicious.

I think, Bill, that in this case we don’t need to worry. I believe SAU’s heart is in the right place and I am so glad that at least one of our institutions is willing to stand up and be counted on the side of Creation, even though they will probably draw much criticism from the ‘scientific’ community as well as from the TEs in their own church.

God bless them for their fidelity to Him. And may God strengthen them to meet the onslaught that is most likely to follow, is my prayer for them.