Creationist students find little support from LSU
@Beth Bishop:

I wonder if Professor Grismer who called Louie Bishop either ignorant or stupid is awarethat he not only graduated from the University of California Davis with a Bachelor’s degree in Business but was awarded “Student/Athlete of the Year” his Senior year. He was a standout both academically and athletically his entire four years at Davis.He is neither stupid or ignorant.How sad to treat young people in this manner.  

You wouldn’t happen to be related to Louie would you? If so, you must be very proud of him. He has done and is doing something very special here…

Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com

Creationist students find little support from LSU

From Advestist Today Blog
On April 5th, 2010 nicsamojluk says:

Erv,

I wonder how long it took you to fish those extreme comments from the Educate Truth website. Did you find many other similar postings from readers? To they represent the views of either Shane Hilde or Sean Pitman, the main individuals behind the Educate Truth project?

The short answer to that question is no, the comments posted by Erv and others do not represent my views or the views of Shane Hilde and do not reflect the position or goals of EdTruth.

Also, as Erv very well knows, the goals of EdTruth have been very clear and simple from the very beginning – the production of increased transparency as to what is really being taught at LSU. Despite the suggestion of Erv and others that LSU is only teaching “about” the theory of evolution, Erv very well knows that this is a lie. The LSU science department is in full support of the truth of the modern mainstream evolutionary view on origins and is vigorously proselytizing for this philosophical position. This effort is in direct opposition to the stated fundamental ideals and goals of the SDA Church and is thus a robbery of the Church’s time and money by the LSU “science” professors.

Reporting on this truth of this situation has always been the goal of EdTruth and Erv knows it…

Also, Erv know that the accusation of Larry Becker that EdTruth blocks comments in support of LSU is untrue since Erv himself is a fairly regular poster to EdTruth’s blog pages and several extensive comments from Becker himself have been posted.

The only comments blocked are the ones usually moderated by automation, like those that contain swear words, are of excessive length, spam, or those which the author has specifically requested to be removed…

Sean Pitman

www.DetectingDesign.com

Creationist students find little support from LSU

The latest from Adventist Today
Re: Educate Truth: Perhaps An Elaborate Spoof Turned Ugly?
On April 10th, 2010 Nathan Schilt says:

Wow! Thanks for the postings ProfessorNotKent. Having only briefly perused educatetruth on one occasion, I have to admit that I was not aware of the looniness which they apparently welcome in their club. At least it’s nice to know that they don’t hide who they are.

You are taking a lot of people’s selected quotes from the general comments posted on Educate Truth that are not endorsed by Educate Truth. Regarding the treatment of Geanna in particular, why didn’t ProfNotKent post the comments from Shane or I? Shane specifically begged Geanna to reconsider who frustration with some of the difficult posters who frequent EdTruth noting that such represent a tiny fraction of the overall SDA Church. I also explained to Geanna that the debate over creationism within the SDA Church has nothing inherently to do with salvation. One doesn’t need to be a Seventh-day Adventist to be loved by God or to be saved. In fact, the vast majority of those saved will not have been SDAs – shocking I know.

Also, as I’ve explained in previous attempted posts to this thread (all blocked by Atoday thus far even though this thread specifically addresses EdTruth and one would think they would want some sort of response published from EdTruth…) the claims of Larry Becker that EdTruth blocks posts in support of LSU are simply untrue. The only posts blocked are those that use swear words, are of excessive length, spam posts, and posts that have specifically been requested by the author to be removed.

It is simply unfair to characterize the opinions of the management of EdTruth with those who frequent the blog maintained by Edtruth just as it would be unfair to characterize the opinions of Atoday by selectively quoting comments submitted on its discussion threads. To be honest I am personally appalled by many of the posted comments on EdTruth in supposed support of our efforts. Shane Hilde feels the same way. Yet, we allow freedom in posting comments with which we personally take strong exception for the same reason that Atoday usually allows the same range of postings with which it fundamentally disagrees…

In short, I think you’d better withhold judgment on the position and efforts of EdTruth until you do a bit more of your own personal investigation instead of simply relying on the reports of those who are so passionately opposed to what we are really doing that they deliberately distort our efforts and present them in the most unfavorable and unrepresentative light possible.

Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com

After the Flood
Thank you Ariel. Hope you are doing well these days. Miss seeing you down at Loma Linda. Hope you had a Great Thanksgiving!

The Flood
Thank you Colin. Just trying to save lives any way I can. Not everything that the government does or leaders do is “evil” BTW…

The Flood
Only someone who knows the future can make such decisions without being a monster…

Pacific Union College Encouraging Homosexual Marriage?
Where did I “gloss over it”?

Review of “The Naked Emperor” by Pastor Conrad Vine
I fail to see where you have convincingly supported your claim that the GC leadership contributed to the harm of anyone’s personal religious liberties? – given that the GC leadership does not and could not override personal religious liberties in this country, nor substantively change the outcome of those who lost their jobs over various vaccine mandates. That’s just not how it works here in this country. Religious liberties are personally derived. Again, they simply are not based on a corporate or church position, but rely solely upon individual convictions – regardless of what the church may or may not say or do.

Yet, you say, “Who cares if it is written into law”? You should care. Everyone should care. It’s a very important law in this country. The idea that the organized church could have changed vaccine mandates simply isn’t true – particularly given the nature of certain types of jobs dealing with the most vulnerable in society (such as health care workers for example).

Beyond this, the GC Leadership did, in fact, write in support of personal religious convictions on this topic – and there are GC lawyers who have and continue to write personal letters in support of personal religious convictions (even if these personal convictions are at odds with the position of the church on a given topic). Just because the GC leadership also supports the advances of modern medicine doesn’t mean that the GC leadership cannot support individual convictions at the same time. Both are possible. This is not an inconsistency.