Comment on GC Votes to Revise SDA Fundamental #6 on Creation by Robert S..
Geanna,
As a young person myself, I could not help but respond to your latest, rather strange post. Your views on youth are fatally flawed, as far as my own young heart is concerned. I am 20 years old, and hope to graduate next year from Thomas Edison State College in D.C.
You said, “You need to understand that young people have always been and always will be inclined to resist control… have you ever met a teenager who was not to some degree rebellious?”
I am shocked you would say such a thing! Not only is this not true — I as a young guy can testify to that fact — but it shows that you have truly deceived yourself. It is only, only, only, the un-consecrated, un-converted, un-saved youth, under the influence of the world and satan, who are ever and always inclined to rebellion and resistance to ecclesiastical control. What saith Scripture sister?!
“For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.” 1 Samuel 15:23.
Let the Bible repeat:
“For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.” 1 Samuel 15:23.
Now what did you say? You said, “If you people really want to “save†the youth of the church, you need to understand that young people have always been and always will be inclined to resist control. It’s our inherent nature–we naturally progress to where we must become independent of the control of our parents. Have you ever met a teenager who not to some degree rebellious?”
Indeed that is the way many young people are, but thank God, not *all* young people. God says that, the kind of youth you described, are engaging in witchcraft, iniquity and idolatry. Unfortunately, *most* young people are that way. And, the vast majority of young people will not be saved. Only a remnant will be saved; in fact, the Bible says that it will *almost* seem as though everyone is finally lost. Read Revelation 6:15, Revelation 1:7, Revelation 13:3.
By the way, Ellen White wrote, “I question whether genuine rebellion is ever curable.” 2SM 393 Just something to think about…
Again, you said, “Control has always been and always will be the biggest turn-off to organized religion. If you do’nt get this point and continue to push for relentless control of the church, revising its doctrines and policing loyalty to “truth†of its membership…you will see dwindling numbers of youth remaining within the flock.”
I believe that you are 100 percent wrong. And I am a 20 year old guy; and a 7th generation Adventist; and I’ve preached full evangelistic series’s in 5 different countries. Both the Bible, Spirit of Prophecy, and my own experience has convinced me beyond a shadow that, the church loses its youth when it compromises with the world. The church crumbles and erodes, loosing members of every age when it allows its standards to *fall,* when it *loosens* its controls, when it allows the world to infiltrate the church, even in the smallest measure.
Just look at the Bible. Look at Protestant history. God’s church experiences the most explosive growth when it is the *most* dedicated to a strict, literal, rigorous, and uncompromising faithfulness to the Bible, and the Bible’s standards and boundaries and confines. (We still see this, btw, today: check out The Generation of Youth for Christ, www.gycweb.com )
When the church becomes lax, loose, “progressive,” lenient, permissive, liberal, etc., *all throughout the Bible* we see that the sure result is disaster and ruin.
The only reason we are loosing our youth is because we are not challenging our youth with the pure, undiluted standards of the Bible. We are encouraging youth to be comfortable in our church, while they are not 100 percent dedicated and committed to God. We mix the world and God to try to make God more attractive. We bring the world into our worship services, standards, and lives. And a half-hearted religion is a miserable thing. That is why they are leaving the church.
I just had to give a 20 year old guys view on this. God Bless.
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GC Votes to Revise SDA Fundamental #6 on Creation
Dear Geanna,
Wow, you’ve got millions of other Christians figured out, too. One must either accept Ellen White as canonical or you are not a Christian and in fact are delusional.
Actually, I was rephrasing Ellen White’s words found in 5T, page 364, paragraph 1. Read it for yourself.
“…he has not accepted the truth for this time [present truth]; he is an unbeliever…”
Anyone claiming to be Christian, who has not yet accepted *present* truth, truth for *this time,* is an unbeliever.
It’s interesting that you didn’t give me any solid logic to meet my logic. I gave you a cemented Oxford definition. I gave you a biblical thought on ‘Sola Scriptura.’ I gave you an Inspired quote on evolutionary thoughts replacing pure faith. [edit]
God Bless!
GC Votes to Revise SDA Fundamental #6 on Creation
Dear Geanna,
YOU are the one who is incorrect (I’m mimicing your language). You yourself admit that a LOT of microevolution happens and that thousands upon thousands of animal species have evolved since the flood. When you spoke of Darwin’s descent in faith, it was a gradual process. His thinking about change gradually led him to reject a literal creation. You yourself read all sorts of papers about evolution and in that sense you yourself have opened the door to “evolutionary thinkingâ€. It was natural for me to assume your use of “evolutionary thinking†was the start of the process, not the end. But you used this opportunity to lecture me and tell me that I was incorrect. I’m amazed by the number of posts of yours that use the phrases “you are incorrectâ€, “you are mistaken,†“you are wrong†and the like.
Ummm … *cough* … uhhh … *blink* … I’m sorry sis, but I haven’t done a thing that you’ve accused me of. I have written not a word upon microevolution, darwin, reading evolution papers, etc. I think you got majorly confused: I’m your young fellow college student, not the venerable Doctor.
GC Votes to Revise SDA Fundamental #6 on Creation
@Geanna Dane:
If you are suggesting that “evolutionary thinking†will cause all to lose their faith as Darwin did, your logic is totally flawed and you know exactly why.
You are incorrect. Anyone who harbors ‘evolutionary thoughts’ will not simply ‘lose their faith’ — they Already Have lost their faith — whether they know it or not. I’m not just speculating here: this is what God has told us. Read the following Inspired statement:
“The assumption that the events of the first week required thousands upon thousands of years…is infidelity in its most insidious and hence most dangerous form… It is one of Satan’s devices to lead the people to accept the fables of infidelity.” CE 190
God has told us that this theory is a fable of infidelity. Anyone who believes it has surrendered his pure faith for the worst and most insidious fables of infidelity. God has said it; I believe it.
In your response, please leave Ellen White out of this unless you believe firmly she is canonical
Your Adventist infidelity is shocking. My Oxford dictionary defines the word ‘canonical’ as “sacred books officially accepted as genuine.” Of course, absolutely, Ellen White is canonical! Her books are both sacred and genuine — They are inspired by the same Spirit who inspired the Bible. If a person does not believe this, he has deceived himself into thinking He is a Christian while in fact he is simply deluded.
please leave Ellen White out of this unless you believe firmly…that “sola scriptura†is a fallacy Adventists should avoid.
If someone honestly believes “sola scriptura” he must, of necessity, believe in the Spirit of Prophecy; the Bible tells him he must: Revelation 12:17, Revelation 19:10. The only people who have lost their faith in the Spirit of Prophecy are those who have lost their faith in Sola Scriptura.
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I agree Ethan.
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We hold critically different philosophical views, yet I thank you for teaching me so much. I wish more would take notice. A similar thanks to men like Victor Marshall.
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Geanna, you seem to be attempting to exhort and preach greater faithfulness to God and righteousness in action.
OK, perhaps some speak too strongly at times on this forum. But, doesn’t it seem that you are trying to take the spec out of your brothers eye when you have a beam in yours?
Here is why I say that. Perhaps there are some here that are critical. But how does God view *you* ???
While some here might be too critical at times (possibly), God says that *you* are subscribing to and encouraging “the worst kind of infidelity.” See The Spirit of Prophecy Folume One, page 86.
While you believe and encourage others to believe “the worst kind of infidelity,” can you expect to be saved??
God has spoken. Woudln’t you do well to tremble?? You are making light of *the worst kind of infidelity.*
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Bob, it’s clear to all open-minded readers that your reasoning is solid, rational, scientific — the posts of Geanna and Lorelei are an unfortunate [edit]. Thank you for consistently, patiently helping them to see their errors.
