@pauluc: Am I understanding you correctly, that in …

Comment on Ted Wilson: No Room for Evolution as Truth in Adventist Schools by wesley kime.

@pauluc: Am I understanding you correctly, that in advocating evidence in studying the Bible, the creation in particular, Sean is but a silly millimeter from atheism? But seriously, it would seem you aren’t catching Sean’s broader paint, that both faith and evidence are indispensible and work together, the one surging while the other eases off, rather like it takes both air power and boots on the ground for victory but while the infantry charges air strikes ease up. Works that way with the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems, and aren’t we glad. Good physiology, responsible tactics.
Under fire from either-or advocates of faith, Sean indeed has been emphasizing evidence, in his lucid, telling, and to some people annoying, way, in the same way, for the same reason, that St. Paul advanced faith over works (faith vs works, the apostolic era equivalent of our faith vs. evidence dustup) when he was up against an armada of circumcision-only militants. Meanwhile St. James was saying, “faith without works is dead.” Faith without evidence is dead. They were both right, weren’t they, isn’t he?

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Ted Wilson: No Room for Evolution as Truth in Adventist Schools
@pauluc:

And Wesley questions why I think you are better advocate for Atheism than for Christianity.

Not a quiver of gestalt much less a nanomilligram of faith as only you could define it, does it take to question why such a proposition is a jaw-dropper.

That settled, seriously, Paul, you do write elegantly and syllogize as sportively as Protagoras, and really don’t need all those quotes, which, truth to tell, I just skim over, as I would guess most do. It’s you I am here to read. Authorities I can get from Google and Wiki. Reading you is a highlight of the day, a great reason to follow this blog, as well as Wiki.


Ted Wilson: No Room for Evolution as Truth in Adventist Schools
Amen. I wasn’t named “Samuel Wesley” for nothing.


Ted Wilson: No Room for Evolution as Truth in Adventist Schools
@Sean Pitman: And I’d sure like to plug in John 10:38 where He says, even though you “do not believe me, believe the works,” “oh yea of little faith.” (my concatenation, apt, I think.) Proof texts, you know. Faith AND evidence working together, as Biblical as it gets.


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I accept that I must accept it, wholly, actively, even with agony, with my whole being.