Bravo to the Michigan Conference and Jay Gallimore for having …

Comment on Michigan Conference accused of shunning LSU choir students by Faith.

Bravo to the Michigan Conference and Jay Gallimore for having the courage to stand for the truth. O that the rest of the administrators/conference workers would do the same. LSU caused this kaffufle in the first place by their rebellion against the church. If anyone should be exposed to condemnation it is them.

Shame on Charles Scriven for criticizing the Michigan conference for their stand. God is not pleased by this, I am sure. It really constitutes rebellion against the church and its principles. I hope Pastor Scriven will reconsider where he stands on this issue. And I hope that Kettering will begin to hold up the standards they have been mandated to teach. I really am appalled at all the liberalness that has infiltrated our church. So sad.

I am also sure that God will bless the Michigan conference for their loyalty to Him and His church and I hope they will continue to stand firm.

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Michigan Conference accused of shunning LSU choir students

Ron: Michigan is the Adventist version of the right wing of the republican party .

Why do you people insist on seeing the church as some political entity? It is not. It isGod’s church–based on a Theocracy. God calls the shots, not the general populace of the church.

And why do you see standing up for the right as a sad thing to do? The Michigan conference and its leader will be judged by God for this, not you. And I have a sneaking suspicion God approves of their standing up for principle.

As for the student’s feelings, it they are hurt it is wholely the fault of the school they represent–don’t try to blame the Michigan Conference. They had already made their stance abundantly clear. It was LSU that tried to sneak in and recruit students where they knew they were not wanted. That’s their problem.

Ron when are you going to realize that we don’t put human beings before God? The Bible says that if we put even our closest family members before God we don’t deserve Him. It is all well and good to care about the students–whether you have noticed it or not, all of us here care about the students. If we did not, we would turn a blind eye to the fact that they are being led astray by the professors at LSU and let things go on as is instead of trying to correct the wrong being done to them. Your kind of caring isn’t helpful to them at all. It is indulgent to the sin that is being perpetuated there. That is not love. Love–real love–is trying to save them from sin. That is why Christ came to this earth–and that is why we are here on this site–to do whatever we can.


Michigan Conference accused of shunning LSU choir students

Mike Messer: It appears at times that we are more afraid of man’s lawsuits than we are of God’s judgment! You and I will be held accountable for not doing our part to uphold His standards.

I do believe you have hit the nail squarely on the head, Mike. Thanks for that posting.


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And you are correct, Sean, PK must consider where his influence is going–for God or against Him.


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Mr Taylor,

After reading your comment above, I must say PK isn’t the only one in that boat.I would make some comment as to how I really feel about you, but I know Sean will only delete it and you won’t benefit from my insight anyway–seeing as Sean is more concerned about other people’s feelings than you seem to be.

How you have the nerve to come to this website and call us all a bunch of morons (which is really what you are doing) is beyond me. You and your cronies are the ones drowning in error. Anyone who dares to accept man’s opinions over the Bible or SOP isn’t to be trusted to define truth for anyone.

Too straight-forward in my comment? Trust me, I have restrained myself admirably. If you only knew….


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Further to my comment on skeptism and our professors, I’ve got to tell you that I found Prof Kent to be extremely annoying in his comments on EGW. He seems to think that she is an embarrassment to the church when she speaks on Science.

Personally I find people who dis her to be the embarrassment to the church. I really don’t see how they dare to contradict and mock God’s prophet. By doing this they undermine a lot of our church’s beliefs to outsiders as well as church members. God will hold them accountable for that.

Furthermore, David’s unpublished manuscript plus other books I have read on archaeology have reported skeletons of the type that EGW mentions. Also found were artifacts such as huge iron bedsteads made for and buried with kings of huge stature.

Just because you haven’t done your research, PK, don’t jump to the conclusion the evidence isn’t there. It’s there, all right, and you make yourself look a little foolish for not knowing about it.


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
David Read said:

“Ellen White’s statements about larger antediluvian life forms are well attested with regard to many different types of flora and fauna. They’re not even controversial…

Hi David,

As you know, I took advantage of your kind offer and I read your manuscript as well as I purchased 3 of your books, one for me, one for my sisters, and one for the church library. It took me a week to finish the book, and I and my sisters are very impressed with it. My one sister calls it “one incredible book”. It has answered a lot of the questions we had on the subject of evolution vs creation science, and, yes, I believe we (you and I and my sisters) are on the same page in our beliefs. We have immensely enjoyed discussing the various aspects of the subject as we read. It makes perfect sense to us.

I still have a couple of questions–new ones will probably always keep popping up–but I would say you have covered the subject admirably. Thanks so much for this book.

I agree with Elder Wilson, this is something every Adventist should read. In my opinion it should be used as required reading for science courses. It is exactly the way I would want science courses in the universities to treat the Creation/evolution debate in the classroom. And if the professors at LSU and the other SDA institutions would do this we wouldn’t be constantly losing our young people and, for that matter, our professors, to skeptisism.

Thank God someone has the courage to publish the truth and expose error.

God Bless you, David.


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Hi Sean and Bill,

I am wondering if the difference of opinion here is due to varying definitions of the word ‘science’. As we all know there is true science and there is worldly psuedo-science.

If Bill’s understanding of ‘science’ in this case is actually worldly psuedo-science, then he is correct in not wanting any truth to be compromised with it.

From Sean’s post, I believe he is referring to true science, which is definitely part of our beliefs on origins and is well supported by the Bible and SOP, as Sean admirably demonstrated.

Not having seen the exhibit myself, I cannot comment on whether or not they are mixing psuedo-science into it. (Perhaps a few of you posters out there can see the exhibit and report back to us.) Knowing the general philosophy of SAU, I would be surprised if they did.

Their goal is “to provide scientific evidence that substantiates the Bible’s account of creation.” Sounds good to me.
They also say: “Religion and science don’t need to be at odds.” And that is true when you are referring to true science, which I believe they are.

However, I do understand Bill’s reaction in that these days when people use the word ‘science’ without qualification it so often means evolutionary pseudoscience, that we tend to be suspicious.

I think, Bill, that in this case we don’t need to worry. I believe SAU’s heart is in the right place and I am so glad that at least one of our institutions is willing to stand up and be counted on the side of Creation, even though they will probably draw much criticism from the ‘scientific’ community as well as from the TEs in their own church.

God bless them for their fidelity to Him. And may God strengthen them to meet the onslaught that is most likely to follow, is my prayer for them.