Eliane: As it appears your very sensible and very welcome comments …

Comment on La Sierra and Battle Creek College by Faith.

Eliane:
As it appears your very sensible and very welcome comments were buried in the above arguments between the above gentlemen, I just wanted to say that I totally agree with you, and wish that others would have taken more note of your comments.

Earlier in this forum, I also stated the belief that the teaching of evolution is not necessary to prepare our students to meet the theory of evolution in their chosen career. After all, we don’t teach Witchcraft 101 to prepare them to meet spiritualism. We have been warned by the SOP that to look into the occult is to tread on Satan’s ground and thereby put ourselves into spiritual danger. Satan may not be as strong as God, but we are not equal to engaging him without the aid of the Lord. It is presumption to put ourselves into that position on purpose. By the same token, I don’t believe our institutions are supposed to be teaching evolution at all–this whole mess wouldn’t be going on right now if evolution had not been permitted into the curriculum in the first place.

What began as a simple explanation of evolution in order to “forearm” our young people has stealthily grown into a monster that has taken over the entire department (with the possible exception of one poor soul on the biology faculty who has steadfastly believed in creationism). I can’t see why most people don’t realize that if you allow Satan to get his foot in the door he is soon going to come in like a flood. This is exactly what is happening to our institutions. We need to get at the root of the whole matter and quit teaching it altogether. And I believe the SOP would back us up on this.
In conclusion, my comment on yours is, “Right on, Sister.” God Bless.

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La Sierra and Battle Creek College
A few comments regarding the video:
First, why, in an Adventist institution, is so much emphasis put on peer reviewed literature? Peer reviewed literature is written by mere man. The Bible is written by God. If scientists are so smart how come they can’t see the importance of that? And, really, how very biased to not allow our schools to present our belief in creation! I thought science was supposed to be unbiased—huh!

Regarding letting LSU and any, and perhaps all, of our institutions go the way they want to and part ways with the church…let’s remember that Ellen White said to *sell* the institutions to the world and use the means to start another institution that *would* be true to our principles and beliefs. I seriously doubt that God would approve of us just handing them over with the benefits derived from all the millions of self-sacrificing-dollars that the church people have contributed over many years.

Regarding the accreditation issue—isn’t the accreditation organization also putting outside pressure on the college? What makes them able to do this and the church that actually owns and operates this institution is not? Seems to me this is a double standard. And I fully agree with those who said that we shouldn’t flinch on this issue even if they do pull accreditation. There are other accreditation organizations in any case…and God will bless if we act in accordance with the truth. Anyone willing to bow to the accreditation gods is no better than a pagan, regardless of what they claim to be.

I totally disagree with the speaker…it is not fine to allow these teachers to continue to teach error in the school. They should be fired for breach of contract—just like any other business in the world would do.

If you work for Coke and you tell everyone Pepsi is better, you get fired. It is called disloyalty to your company. And the company is under no obligation to pay your salary if you are disloyal to them.

This has gone on long enough. Anyone with a cork eye can see that. And I am sorry if this offends anyone, but I don’t think we should be considering the feelings of teachers who have no problem ridiculing students for speaking the truth just because they no longer believe it. If they can’t agree with the SDA philosophy, they should go where they can agree with the philosophy—simple! This is being made into something far more complicated than it really is. If we can’t stand for right now, what are we going to do when it is against the law for us to believe the truth—bow to the law for the sake of the short time left to us on this earth? I think not. We all need to get a backbone now. This is just a little taste of what we face in the near (hopefully) future. Stand up and be counted, people. Choose ye this day who you will serve.


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And you are correct, Sean, PK must consider where his influence is going–for God or against Him.


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Mr Taylor,

After reading your comment above, I must say PK isn’t the only one in that boat.I would make some comment as to how I really feel about you, but I know Sean will only delete it and you won’t benefit from my insight anyway–seeing as Sean is more concerned about other people’s feelings than you seem to be.

How you have the nerve to come to this website and call us all a bunch of morons (which is really what you are doing) is beyond me. You and your cronies are the ones drowning in error. Anyone who dares to accept man’s opinions over the Bible or SOP isn’t to be trusted to define truth for anyone.

Too straight-forward in my comment? Trust me, I have restrained myself admirably. If you only knew….


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Further to my comment on skeptism and our professors, I’ve got to tell you that I found Prof Kent to be extremely annoying in his comments on EGW. He seems to think that she is an embarrassment to the church when she speaks on Science.

Personally I find people who dis her to be the embarrassment to the church. I really don’t see how they dare to contradict and mock God’s prophet. By doing this they undermine a lot of our church’s beliefs to outsiders as well as church members. God will hold them accountable for that.

Furthermore, David’s unpublished manuscript plus other books I have read on archaeology have reported skeletons of the type that EGW mentions. Also found were artifacts such as huge iron bedsteads made for and buried with kings of huge stature.

Just because you haven’t done your research, PK, don’t jump to the conclusion the evidence isn’t there. It’s there, all right, and you make yourself look a little foolish for not knowing about it.


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
David Read said:

“Ellen White’s statements about larger antediluvian life forms are well attested with regard to many different types of flora and fauna. They’re not even controversial…

Hi David,

As you know, I took advantage of your kind offer and I read your manuscript as well as I purchased 3 of your books, one for me, one for my sisters, and one for the church library. It took me a week to finish the book, and I and my sisters are very impressed with it. My one sister calls it “one incredible book”. It has answered a lot of the questions we had on the subject of evolution vs creation science, and, yes, I believe we (you and I and my sisters) are on the same page in our beliefs. We have immensely enjoyed discussing the various aspects of the subject as we read. It makes perfect sense to us.

I still have a couple of questions–new ones will probably always keep popping up–but I would say you have covered the subject admirably. Thanks so much for this book.

I agree with Elder Wilson, this is something every Adventist should read. In my opinion it should be used as required reading for science courses. It is exactly the way I would want science courses in the universities to treat the Creation/evolution debate in the classroom. And if the professors at LSU and the other SDA institutions would do this we wouldn’t be constantly losing our young people and, for that matter, our professors, to skeptisism.

Thank God someone has the courage to publish the truth and expose error.

God Bless you, David.


Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Hi Sean and Bill,

I am wondering if the difference of opinion here is due to varying definitions of the word ‘science’. As we all know there is true science and there is worldly psuedo-science.

If Bill’s understanding of ‘science’ in this case is actually worldly psuedo-science, then he is correct in not wanting any truth to be compromised with it.

From Sean’s post, I believe he is referring to true science, which is definitely part of our beliefs on origins and is well supported by the Bible and SOP, as Sean admirably demonstrated.

Not having seen the exhibit myself, I cannot comment on whether or not they are mixing psuedo-science into it. (Perhaps a few of you posters out there can see the exhibit and report back to us.) Knowing the general philosophy of SAU, I would be surprised if they did.

Their goal is “to provide scientific evidence that substantiates the Bible’s account of creation.” Sounds good to me.
They also say: “Religion and science don’t need to be at odds.” And that is true when you are referring to true science, which I believe they are.

However, I do understand Bill’s reaction in that these days when people use the word ‘science’ without qualification it so often means evolutionary pseudoscience, that we tend to be suspicious.

I think, Bill, that in this case we don’t need to worry. I believe SAU’s heart is in the right place and I am so glad that at least one of our institutions is willing to stand up and be counted on the side of Creation, even though they will probably draw much criticism from the ‘scientific’ community as well as from the TEs in their own church.

God bless them for their fidelity to Him. And may God strengthen them to meet the onslaught that is most likely to follow, is my prayer for them.