I guess we’re all agreed now. Scientists use the word …

Comment on ‘Yes, Creation!’ at the General Conference Session by Geanna Dane.

I guess we’re all agreed now. Scientists use the word “evolution” on a day-to-day basis for all aspects of change, including microevolutionary change.

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‘Yes, Creation!’ at the General Conference Session

@BobRyan: Geanna said:

I guess we’re all agreed now. Scientists use the word “evolution” on a day-to-day basis for all aspects of change, including microevolutionary change.

Indeed – shell game “noted”.in Christ,Bob  (Quote)

Exactly the smug response I expected.


‘Yes, Creation!’ at the General Conference Session
Roy Allen wrote a delightful explanation of evolutionary reasoning including this: “As a result, they are clueless about what creationists really think.”

Of course they are. Creationists invent their own terms and language regarding evolutionary change and then accuse evolutionists of misapplying them. When an Englishman asks me for a pram, a plaster, or a nappy, he will quickly see that I am clueless. I have no idea that he is asking for a baby carriage, a band-aid or a diaper respectively. Sadly creationists are equally clueless about what evolutionists really think. Many of you have told me repeatedly and with conviction that I have been using the word “evolution” wrong- and I just proved to you from the literature that you folks are the ones who are wrong. At least some of you have now come around on that point which shows some integrity.

Bob Ryan wrote: “They want to hide evolutionism under all three of those shells at the same time.”

Evolutionists hide nothing about their views. They make no apologies about what they believe. The reality is that creationists fear there is evolution hidden under every umbrella because they fear the very word itself and fail to understand or appreciate the concept.


‘Yes, Creation!’ at the General Conference Session
Bob, how many ordinary run of the mill research publications do you need to see before acknowledging that evolutionists use the word “evolution” very, very often to mean change in the microevolutionary sense far, far, completely removed from any sense of “birds come from reptiles?”? How many? Give me a number please.

So tell me, am I an “evolutionist” if I beleive that one species of salamander might have evolved into more than 400 species? Or do you regard that as the type of change equivalent to your fingernails growing? (I can’t speak for you but it’s very different from my fingernails growing!) And since you understand so well what people really know or believe, please tell me if I actually believe that birds come from reptiles.


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Professor Kent, thank you for defending me, but its not really necessary. You have been very kind to me and I have greatly appreciated the way you and your wife so generously share your faith. You have given me added confidence in the Bible and I have a better understanding of how to trust God’s word ahead of science. Thanks to your encouragement I now enjoy attending church more than ever. I have also learned that my personal experience with God is much stronger when I avoid contentious and negative websites like this one. After reading a few posts here I can’t bear the thought of reading more. Makes my stomach turn.

Your friend,
Geanna


Ravi Zacharias: Should Church Members be Held to a Higher Standard?
Wow, a friend gave me a phone call and sure enough, my name has come up here again.

Ken, please understand that you are seeing some of the worst of Adventism at this website. I don’t understand the mean-spirited and snarkey posts that are so common here even from clergy like Pastor Constantinescu. I can forgive their treatment of me and others as I attribute their comments to the impersonal nature of the internet. I strongly suspect that if I were casually chatting with them in the foyer after church they would be very kind and gracious, much like most other church members that I sit down with in the pews each week. I prefer to assume these men are sincere upstanding Christians and so I don’t wish to respond in kind to their remarks.

I actually have family in Michigan and fully intend to sit in on a service by Pastor Constantinescu one day. I will make a point to visit with him personally after the service and he will not know who I am (unless I decide to publicy post my impression afterwards- which I think would be uncharitable of me). He will answer to God how he has treated me and others here, and how he treats people in person. I don’t care to defend myself further. Believe whatever you wish to believe, Ken, but know that Jesus loved his enemies and we should be willing to do the same.


Video show LSU undermining church doctrine
I don’t think there is anything any of you truly wish to hear from me. It doesn’t matter how nice or agreeable I am, everything gets interpreted from an extreme point of view that I am seldom able to anticipate. If I have misplaced anything, it has been my time spent here. I agree on many issues about the message, but I don’t share the personal vendetta and punitive approach that others articulate here.

I wrote a very nice, very sincere reply to Sean, thanking him for the many positive things he does for the church. There was no anger or sarcasm in the message. I don’t know why it has not been approved for posting yet, but he is welcome to treat and interpret the message as he wishes. I’ve made my peace and I am finished for good.

Good-bye


Video show LSU undermining church doctrine
Sean,

Thank you for your concerns about the education of Adventist young people and for trying to find solutions to save them from losing their faith. We need them and they need us.

Thank you for attempting to share with Adventists your understanding of the overwhelming evidence that supports our belief in God, the Bible, Genesis, 6 days, 6,000 years, the spirit of prophecy, the nonexistance of the flying spaghetti monster, and the like. It’s refreshing to know that faith is not enough.

Thank you for bringing the importance of “transparency” and “on the church’s dime” to our attention. Your concepts are like manna to the faithful.

Thank you for pointing out individuals and institutions by name, and making clear to us how they continue to undermine the fundamental values and beliefs of our church and how our administrators have utterly failed to correct them. They must surely be a part of the much-anticipated omega apostasy.

Thank you for taking so much time to correct those of us who disagree with you. Perhaps there is hope for us after all.

Thank you for adhering so vigorously to what you believe to be God’s will for your life. We admire your fidelity to your stated positions and family and spiritual values.

Thank you for defending the faith of those who do not understand or agree with your views but still believe in many of the same spiritual truths that you do. We can only hope that they too can find their way to the kingdom of God.

Thank you for being so patient and respectful toward those who hold to different views than you do. Your example will perhaps inspire these individuals in ways that only God can understand.

May God bless you abundantly.


Video show LSU undermining church doctrine

So, no big deal right? Since most are not affected nothing needs to be done for those that are?

I didn’t say either, Sean. I respectfully pointed out that it was unnecessarily cruel, in my humble opinion, to shut down a university (as some have argued), ship it to Europe (as one individual suggested), or tell parents to send their children elsewhere when so many students have no exposure to the lies and theft that you have diligently brought to our attention and receive blessings from an Adventist college that are very difficult to get from a secular college.

Why is it that I can’t say even one acceptable thing here? No one should object to anything I’ve written in the past few posts above this one. Can’t you simply say, “Thank you Geanna for sharing your experiences and views. You raise some valid points.”