Comments on: MBA employee discourages students from attending LSU http://www.educatetruth.com/news/monterey-bay-academy-employee-discourages-students-from-attending-lsu/ La Sierra University promotes evolution over creation Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:04:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Bill Ray http://www.educatetruth.com/news/monterey-bay-academy-employee-discourages-students-from-attending-lsu/comment-page-1/#comment-10911 Bill Ray Mon, 29 Mar 2010 06:19:10 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=1809#comment-10911 I really appreciate the humble gesture of Brother David Lara. We need men like David, who stand for what is right though the heavens fall. As for the erring teachers and administrators of LSU/LLU, may God guide all of you always. I can only hope this situation is reversible. I really appreciate the humble gesture of Brother David Lara. We need men like David, who stand for what is right though the heavens fall.

As for the erring teachers and administrators of LSU/LLU, may God guide all of you always. I can only hope this situation is reversible.

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]]> By: AL http://www.educatetruth.com/news/monterey-bay-academy-employee-discourages-students-from-attending-lsu/comment-page-1/#comment-10856 AL Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:39:46 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=1809#comment-10856 I think it's wrong for him to blanket judge the whole LSU campus and be in the position of any from of advisement, considering his lack of training in advisement of under-age of consent Children. I think it’s wrong for him to blanket judge the whole LSU campus and be in the position of any from of advisement, considering his lack of training in advisement of under-age of consent Children.

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]]> By: Sally Pacheco http://www.educatetruth.com/news/monterey-bay-academy-employee-discourages-students-from-attending-lsu/comment-page-1/#comment-10800 Sally Pacheco Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:53:41 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=1809#comment-10800 I am thankful for David's statement and courage to stand for the truth and for the Biblical foundation of Creation and the literal 6 day creation week. In looking at colleges for my kids, I will start contacting the college presidents to make sure they teach Creation as truth in their Bible and science classes. Thank you David and thank you Shane, in a time when so many are out lead God's people to the road "Destruction" I am thankful for David’s statement and courage to stand
for the truth and for the Biblical foundation of Creation
and the literal 6 day creation week. In looking at colleges for
my kids, I will start contacting the college presidents to make
sure they teach Creation as truth in their Bible and science classes.
Thank you David and thank you Shane, in a time when so many are
out lead God’s people to the road “Destruction”

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]]> By: Nathan Emmanuels http://www.educatetruth.com/news/monterey-bay-academy-employee-discourages-students-from-attending-lsu/comment-page-1/#comment-10784 Nathan Emmanuels Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:06:09 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=1809#comment-10784 Looks like we have trouble in North America, nothing like we are seeing at Avondale in Australia. At Avondale to believe the truth is being a heretic Looks like we have trouble in North America, nothing like we are seeing at Avondale in Australia. At Avondale to believe the truth is being a heretic

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]]> By: Kevin Paulson http://www.educatetruth.com/news/monterey-bay-academy-employee-discourages-students-from-attending-lsu/comment-page-1/#comment-10563 Kevin Paulson Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:42:13 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=1809#comment-10563 I certainly understand why godly parents would not want their children to be students on a campus where evolution or any number of errors were being taught as fact. At the same time, I believe nothing would speak so strongly to the conscience of the church as godly students on such a campus calling for clarity, revival, and reformation. And I'm not sure how that would happen if all the godly young people go somewhere else. I am a veteran of many years of theological struggle on and regarding Adventists campuses. I have served as a student leader on such campuses, and have thus had a platform from which to speak about issues. With the growth of the GYC movement in recent years, student leaders with similar convictions have arisen on a number of our campuses, daring to stand up and be counted when important issues have arisen. It is a difficult dilemma for godly students and godly parents. But one thing is certain. The demand for clarity and accountability must wax louder and louder, until church leaders remove both administrators and teachers who refuse to uphold the Bible/Spirit of Prophecy teaching regarding the origin of life on earth, as declared and duly voted in the Fundamental Beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. God bless! Pastor Kevin Paulson I certainly understand why godly parents would not want their children to be students on a campus where evolution or any number of errors were being taught as fact. At the same time, I believe nothing would speak so strongly to the conscience of the church as godly students on such a campus calling for clarity, revival, and reformation. And I’m not sure how that would happen if all the godly young people go somewhere else.

I am a veteran of many years of theological struggle on and regarding Adventists campuses. I have served as a student leader on such campuses, and have thus had a platform from which to speak about issues. With the growth of the GYC movement in recent years, student leaders with similar convictions have arisen on a number of our campuses, daring to stand up and be counted when important issues have arisen.

It is a difficult dilemma for godly students and godly parents. But one thing is certain. The demand for clarity and accountability must wax louder and louder, until church leaders remove both administrators and teachers who refuse to uphold the Bible/Spirit of Prophecy teaching regarding the origin of life on earth, as declared and duly voted in the Fundamental Beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

God bless!

Pastor Kevin Paulson

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]]> By: BobRyan http://www.educatetruth.com/news/monterey-bay-academy-employee-discourages-students-from-attending-lsu/comment-page-1/#comment-10494 BobRyan Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:50:53 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=1809#comment-10494 Marvella - those are good points - but the references don't exactly match - so I am simply including the snippets with references associated here. <blockquote> <b>I have been shown</b> that God here (the case of Achan) illustrates how He regards <b>sin among those who profess to be His commandment-keeping people. Those whom He has specially honored</b> with witnessing the remarkable exhibitions of His power, as did ancient Israel, and who will even then <b>venture to disregard His express directions, will be subjects of His wrath</b>. He would teach His people that <b>disobedience and sin are exceedingly offensive</b> to Him and are not to be lightly regarded. He shows us that <b>when His people are found in sin they should at once take decided measures</b> to put that sin from them, that His frown may not rest upon them all. But <b>if the sins of the people are passed over by those in responsible positions, His frown</b> will be upon them, and the <b>people of God, as a body, will be held responsible for those sins</b>. In His dealings with His people in the past the Lord shows the necessity of <b>purifying the church</b> from wrongs. <b>One sinner may diffuse darkness that will exclude the light of God from the entire congregation.</b> When the people realize that darkness is settling upon them, and they do not know the cause, they should seek God earnestly, in great humility and self-abasement, until the wrongs which grieve His Spirit are searched out and put away. {3T 265.1} </blockquote> … And what of the oft repeated complaints seen here that criticism of evolutionism (Theistic Evolutionism called "the worst kind of infidelity" by Ellen White) - is too harsh, too pointed, too critical and nothing like "we are aLL the same... go to sleeep" <blockquote> The <b>prejudice which has arisen against us because we have reproved the wrongs</b> that God has shown me existed, and the <b>cry that has been raised of harshness and severity, are unjust</b>. God bids us speak, and we will not be silent. If wrongs are 266 apparent among His people, and <b>if the servants of God pass on indifferent to them, they virtually sustain and justify</b> the sinner, and <b>are alike guilty and will just as surely receive the displeasure of God; for they will be made responsible for the sins of the guilty</b>. In vision I have been pointed to many instances where the displeasure of God has been incurred by a neglect on the part of His servants to deal with the wrongs and sins existing among them. <b>Those who have excused these wrongs have been thought by the people to be very amiable and lovely in disposition, simply because they shunned to discharge a plain Scriptural duty.</b> The task was not agreeable to their feelings; therefore they avoided it. {3T 265.2} </blockquote> Do we see Church administrators seeking approval by speaking smooth things in a time of crisis - when decided action is called for but is not being taken? It is left as an exercise for the reader to determine if he/she can see that happening. … <blockquote> The <b>plain, straight testimony must live in the church, or the curse of God will rest upon His people</b> as surely as it did upon ancient Israel because of their sins. <b>God holds His people, as a body, responsible for the sins existing in individuals</b> among them. <b>If the leaders of the church neglect to diligently search out the sins which bring the displeasure of God upon the body, they become responsible for these sins.</b> But to deal with minds is the nicest work in which men ever engaged. All are not fitted to correct the erring. They have not wisdom to deal justly, while loving mercy. They are not inclined to see the necessity of mingling love and tender 270 compassion with faithful reproofs. Some are ever needlessly severe, and do not feel the necessity of the injunction of the apostle: "And of some have compassion, making a difference: and others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire." {3T 269.2} </blockquote> … And then we have this section that calls for the saints of God to rise up and take firm action - let the results be what they may. <blockquote> Those who engage in the <b>solemn work of bearing the third angel’s message must move out decidedly</b>, and in the Spirit and power of God <b>fearlessly preach the truth and let it cut</b>. They should elevate the standard of truth and urge the <b>people to come up to it</b>. It has too frequently been <b>lowered to meet the people in their condition of darkness and sin</b>. It is the <b>pointed testimony that will bring them up to decide. A peaceful testimony will not do this</b>. Our truth is as much more solemn than that of nominal professors, as the heavens are higher than the earth. (1T248-9) </blockquote> And that is why their will be a howling clammor for the "peaceful testimony" whenever a crisis calls for the "pointed testimony". As Peter said "Do not be surprised when fiery trials come upon you". It is predicted. It is the path set out for you. in Christ, Bob Marvella – those are good points – but the references don’t exactly match – so I am simply including the snippets with references associated here.

I have been shown that God here (the case of Achan) illustrates how He regards sin among those who profess to be His commandment-keeping people. Those whom He has specially honored with witnessing the remarkable exhibitions of His power, as did ancient Israel, and who will even then venture to disregard His express directions, will be subjects of His wrath. He would teach His people that disobedience and sin are exceedingly offensive to Him and are not to be lightly regarded. He shows us that when His people are found in sin they should at once take decided measures to put that sin from them, that His frown may not rest upon them all. But if the sins of the people are passed over by those in responsible positions, His frown will be upon them, and the people of God, as a body, will be held responsible for those sins. In His dealings with His people in the past the Lord shows the necessity of purifying the church from wrongs. One sinner may diffuse darkness that will exclude the light of God from the entire congregation. When the people realize that darkness is settling upon them, and they do not know the cause, they should seek God earnestly, in great humility and self-abasement, until the wrongs which grieve His Spirit are searched out and put away. {3T 265.1}

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And what of the oft repeated complaints seen here that criticism of evolutionism (Theistic Evolutionism called “the worst kind of infidelity” by Ellen White) – is too harsh, too pointed, too critical and nothing like “we are aLL the same… go to sleeep”

The prejudice which has arisen against us because we have reproved the wrongs that God has shown me existed, and the cry that has been raised of harshness and severity, are unjust. God bids us speak, and we will not be silent. If wrongs are
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apparent among His people, and if the servants of God pass on indifferent to them, they virtually sustain and justify the sinner, and are alike guilty and will just as surely receive the displeasure of God; for they will be made responsible for the sins of the guilty. In vision I have been pointed to many instances where the displeasure of God has been incurred by a neglect on the part of His servants to deal with the wrongs and sins existing among them. Those who have excused these wrongs have been thought by the people to be very amiable and lovely in disposition, simply because they shunned to discharge a plain Scriptural duty. The task was not agreeable to their feelings; therefore they avoided it. {3T 265.2}

Do we see Church administrators seeking approval by speaking smooth things in a time of crisis – when decided action is called for but is not being taken?

It is left as an exercise for the reader to determine if he/she can see that happening.

…

The plain, straight testimony must live in the church, or the curse of God will rest upon His people as surely as it did upon ancient Israel because of their sins. God holds His people, as a body, responsible for the sins existing in individuals among them. If the leaders of the church neglect to diligently search out the sins which bring the displeasure of God upon the body, they become responsible for these sins.

But to deal with minds is the nicest work in which men ever engaged. All are not fitted to correct the erring. They have not wisdom to deal justly, while loving mercy. They are not inclined to see the necessity of mingling love and tender
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compassion with faithful reproofs. Some are ever needlessly severe, and do not feel the necessity of the injunction of the apostle: “And of some have compassion, making a difference: and others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire.” {3T 269.2}

…

And then we have this section that calls for the saints of God to rise up and take firm action – let the results be what they may.

Those who engage in the solemn work of bearing the third angel’s message must move out decidedly, and in the Spirit and power of God fearlessly preach the truth and let it cut. They should elevate the standard of truth and urge the people to come up to it. It has too frequently been lowered to meet the people in their condition of darkness and sin. It is the pointed testimony that will bring them up to decide. A peaceful testimony will not do this. Our truth is as much more solemn than that of nominal professors, as the heavens are higher than the earth. (1T248-9)

And that is why their will be a howling clammor for the “peaceful testimony” whenever a crisis calls for the “pointed testimony”.

As Peter said “Do not be surprised when fiery trials come upon you”. It is predicted. It is the path set out for you.

in Christ,

Bob

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]]> By: Verne http://www.educatetruth.com/news/monterey-bay-academy-employee-discourages-students-from-attending-lsu/comment-page-1/#comment-10484 Verne Mon, 15 Mar 2010 04:52:00 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=1809#comment-10484 Just one of the reasons our children were home schooled and are using correspondence and local colleges, where black is black and white is white and gray is Babylon. Made in the image of Christ and his Father Almighty God. The local schools have never tried to tell my children God did anything, thus their information on origin is obviously contrary to our beliefs. Regards in Christ, fill those vials with prayer. Just one of the reasons our children were home schooled and are using correspondence and local colleges, where black is black and white is white and gray is Babylon. Made in the image of Christ and his Father Almighty God. The local schools have never tried to tell my children God did anything, thus their information on origin is obviously contrary to our beliefs.

Regards in Christ, fill those vials with prayer.

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]]> By: MarVella Burton http://www.educatetruth.com/news/monterey-bay-academy-employee-discourages-students-from-attending-lsu/comment-page-1/#comment-10482 MarVella Burton Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:06:59 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=1809#comment-10482 The plain straight testimony must live int he church, or the curse of God will rest upon His people as surely as it did upon ancient Israel because of their sins. (3T269) If the sins of the people are passed over by those in responsible positions, God's frown will be upon them, and the people of God will be held responsible for those sins. God bids us speak, and we must not be silent. If wrongs are apparent among God's people, and if the servants of God pass on indifferent to them, they virtually sustain and justify the sinner, and are alike guilty and will just as surely receive the displeasure of God, for they will be made responsible for the sins of the guilty. Those who engage in the solemn work of vearing the third angel's message must move out decidedly, and in the Spirit and power of God fearlessly preach the truth and let it cut. They should elevate the standard of truth and urge the people to come up to it. It has too frequently been lowered to meet the people in their condition of darkness and sin. It is the pointed testimony that will bring them up to decide. A peaceful testimony will not do this. Our truth is as much more solemn than that of nominal professors, as the heavens are higher than the earth. (1T248-9) It is high time that we stand and if it means war, then let us go to war and fight the good fight of faith, showing forth our faith by our works. Accreditation is not a part of God's plan for our educational system. Now we see the result of our seeking to be like the world. Have mercy on us, O Lord. The plain straight testimony must live int he church, or the curse of God will rest upon His people as surely as it did upon ancient Israel because of their sins. (3T269) If the sins of the people are passed over by those in responsible positions, God’s frown will be upon them, and the people of God will be held responsible for those sins. God bids us speak, and we must not be silent. If wrongs are apparent among God’s people, and if the servants of God pass on indifferent to them, they virtually sustain and justify the sinner, and are alike guilty and will just as surely receive the displeasure of God, for they will be made responsible for the sins of the guilty. Those who engage in the solemn work of vearing the third angel’s message must move out decidedly, and in the Spirit and power of God fearlessly preach the truth and let it cut. They should elevate the standard of truth and urge the people to come up to it. It has too frequently been lowered to meet the people in their condition of darkness and sin. It is the pointed testimony that will bring them up to decide. A peaceful testimony will not do this. Our truth is as much more solemn than that of nominal professors, as the heavens are higher than the earth. (1T248-9) It is high time that we stand and if it means war, then let us go to war and fight the good fight of faith, showing forth our faith by our works. Accreditation is not a part of God’s plan for our educational system. Now we see the result of our seeking to be like the world. Have mercy on us, O Lord.

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]]> By: Sheryl http://www.educatetruth.com/news/monterey-bay-academy-employee-discourages-students-from-attending-lsu/comment-page-1/#comment-10432 Sheryl Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:35:11 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=1809#comment-10432 Where is the board in all of this? If they are Godly people, it seems they would have handled this already by removing the President, offending teachers, and anyone else involved in this. The longer this controversy lingers, the more damage will be caused. Our prayers are with those in decision-making positions.

Where is the board in all of this? If they are Godly people, it seems they would have handled this already by removing the President, offending teachers, and anyone else involved in this. The longer this controversy lingers, the more damage will be caused. Our prayers are with those in decision-making positions.

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]]> By: W. Lee Grady http://www.educatetruth.com/news/monterey-bay-academy-employee-discourages-students-from-attending-lsu/comment-page-1/#comment-10422 W. Lee Grady Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:55:13 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=1809#comment-10422 As a retired but reactived minister of the church as well as a graduate of LSU I wish to stand along side of David. It will take men and women of strength and conviction to take such a stand. There is much to be lost if we let this slip thru the cracks. Now is the time to stand for the truth we believe! If our elected administrators were doing their job this issue would have never reached this point. For many years I have promoted LSU in places where I have had an influence. My support will now stop until it is once again safe for our youth to attend LSU. We have a tremendous life saving message to give to the world. We must keep focused on the mission. LSU has a very important role in the giving of this message but not in a deluted way. Please join me in this fight to save LSU.

As a retired but reactived minister of the church as well as a graduate of LSU I wish to stand along side of David. It will take men and women of strength and conviction to take such a stand. There is much to be lost if we let this slip thru the cracks. Now is the time to stand for the truth we believe! If our elected administrators were doing their job this issue would have never reached this point. For many years I have promoted LSU in places where I have had an influence. My support will now stop until it is once again safe for our youth to attend LSU. We have a tremendous life saving message to give to the world. We must keep focused on the mission. LSU has a very important role in the giving of this message but not in a deluted way. Please join me in this fight to save LSU.

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