Comment on ANN reports on affirmation of creation and FB #6 enhancement by Geanna Dane.
I for one greatly appreciated your post and agree completely with your concerns. I think the issues here are very complex and support for one particular position does not negate one’s view of the broader picture.
The one response so far was quite predictable, but I hope that others, following your plea, will be more charitable. Fortunately, there are plenty of Adventists who recognize that the church has grown considerably without 100% agreeement on the wording of every fundamental belief (in fact, most adventists have never taken the time to read every word of every “belief”), and the church will certainly move on as those who love a good fight continue to quarrel and obsess over minor details. Praise God for that.
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ANN reports on affirmation of creation and FB #6 enhancement
@ Bobbie Vedvick
Whatâ€™s interesting to me are the statements by those who are â€œsensitiveâ€ to the â€œcriticismsâ€ they â€œfeelâ€ in the various messages. Then those very ones proceed to utter some of the harshest, finger-pointing critcisims of other posters. I checked the â€œeducate truthersâ€ (thereâ€™s a telling label right there) in an attempt to find answers and never picked up criticism at any point. I did hear solid, intelligent answers.
This comment follows an exchange between Dr. Osborn and Ron Stone. I should think every reader here would identify Ron Stone as an “educatetruther”. Are you suggesting Dr. Osborn is among the harshest, finger-pointing critics? And that Ron Stone provides solid, intelligent answers? You’ve aroused my curiosity.
Why are so many Christian and Adventist youth making the choice to leave Christ and/or the church? We can say, â€œOh well, that was their choice.â€ Or, we can do something to help maximize the chances that they will make the right choice for Christ. You are absolutely right when you say we need to do something constructive.
Dr. Osborn was making a good faith attempt to offer suggestions here but certain individuals took it upon themselves to dismiss his comments as “stonewalling” and demand that he condemn La Sierra. Clearly, Dr. Osborn has much to share but the audience here appears to be much too myopic to appreciate anything he had to say.
In the short-term â€“ pointing peoples attention to the evolutionary leak in the Adventist education dike, and trying to stop the potentially damning flow, is not a non-constructive activity.
There are many people who feel this single-minded focus could prove to be counterproductive. I interpreted Dr. Osborn to be saying exactly this and that we need to be open to and engaged in discussion of alternative courses of action that might better instill faith in young people. I’m saddened that so many here are so quick to judge and draw inappropriate conclusions, and are unable to maintain reasonable dialogue that many of us might have benefitted from.
Chalk up yet another (former) Adventist university president who has been vilified by some at EducateTruth. The list keeps growing. Who’s next?
Iâ€™ve written enough and those reading my posts and your responses will understand why I need to focus my time elsewhere.
Dr. Osborn, the contrast between your statements and those of others here is unmistakable. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts. Many here, including the silent ones, recognize the value of what you have tried to accomplish and understand why you feel compelled to discontinue the conversation.
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Professor Kent, thank you for defending me, but its not really necessary. You have been very kind to me and I have greatly appreciated the way you and your wife so generously share your faith. You have given me added confidence in the Bible and I have a better understanding of how to trust God’s word ahead of science. Thanks to your encouragement I now enjoy attending church more than ever. I have also learned that my personal experience with God is much stronger when I avoid contentious and negative websites like this one. After reading a few posts here I can’t bear the thought of reading more. Makes my stomach turn.
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Wow, a friend gave me a phone call and sure enough, my name has come up here again.
Ken, please understand that you are seeing some of the worst of Adventism at this website. I don’t understand the mean-spirited and snarkey posts that are so common here even from clergy like Pastor Constantinescu. I can forgive their treatment of me and others as I attribute their comments to the impersonal nature of the internet. I strongly suspect that if I were casually chatting with them in the foyer after church they would be very kind and gracious, much like most other church members that I sit down with in the pews each week. I prefer to assume these men are sincere upstanding Christians and so I don’t wish to respond in kind to their remarks.
I actually have family in Michigan and fully intend to sit in on a service by Pastor Constantinescu one day. I will make a point to visit with him personally after the service and he will not know who I am (unless I decide to publicy post my impression afterwards- which I think would be uncharitable of me). He will answer to God how he has treated me and others here, and how he treats people in person. I don’t care to defend myself further. Believe whatever you wish to believe, Ken, but know that Jesus loved his enemies and we should be willing to do the same.
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I don’t think there is anything any of you truly wish to hear from me. It doesn’t matter how nice or agreeable I am, everything gets interpreted from an extreme point of view that I am seldom able to anticipate. If I have misplaced anything, it has been my time spent here. I agree on many issues about the message, but I don’t share the personal vendetta and punitive approach that others articulate here.
I wrote a very nice, very sincere reply to Sean, thanking him for the many positive things he does for the church. There was no anger or sarcasm in the message. I don’t know why it has not been approved for posting yet, but he is welcome to treat and interpret the message as he wishes. I’ve made my peace and I am finished for good.
Thank you for your concerns about the education of Adventist young people and for trying to find solutions to save them from losing their faith. We need them and they need us.
Thank you for attempting to share with Adventists your understanding of the overwhelming evidence that supports our belief in God, the Bible, Genesis, 6 days, 6,000 years, the spirit of prophecy, the nonexistance of the flying spaghetti monster, and the like. It’s refreshing to know that faith is not enough.
Thank you for bringing the importance of “transparency” and “on the church’s dime” to our attention. Your concepts are like manna to the faithful.
Thank you for pointing out individuals and institutions by name, and making clear to us how they continue to undermine the fundamental values and beliefs of our church and how our administrators have utterly failed to correct them. They must surely be a part of the much-anticipated omega apostasy.
Thank you for taking so much time to correct those of us who disagree with you. Perhaps there is hope for us after all.
Thank you for adhering so vigorously to what you believe to be God’s will for your life. We admire your fidelity to your stated positions and family and spiritual values.
Thank you for defending the faith of those who do not understand or agree with your views but still believe in many of the same spiritual truths that you do. We can only hope that they too can find their way to the kingdom of God.
Thank you for being so patient and respectful toward those who hold to different views than you do. Your example will perhaps inspire these individuals in ways that only God can understand.
May God bless you abundantly.
So, no big deal right? Since most are not affected nothing needs to be done for those that are?
I didn’t say either, Sean. I respectfully pointed out that it was unnecessarily cruel, in my humble opinion, to shut down a university (as some have argued), ship it to Europe (as one individual suggested), or tell parents to send their children elsewhere when so many students have no exposure to the lies and theft that you have diligently brought to our attention and receive blessings from an Adventist college that are very difficult to get from a secular college.
Why is it that I can’t say even one acceptable thing here? No one should object to anything I’ve written in the past few posts above this one. Can’t you simply say, “Thank you Geanna for sharing your experiences and views. You raise some valid points.”