Prof Kent: Label me as you wish; you can get in …

Comment on The ANN Highlights LSU’s Dr. Lee Grismer – An Evolutionary Biologist by Faith.

Prof Kent:

Label me as you wish; you can get in line with David Read, Bob Ryan, Sean Pitman, and others who seem to delight in proclaiming that I’m not really an Adventist after all, and am just a cowardly liar with blind, circular reasoning who is actually a theistic evolutionist who applauds its teaching in our schools. That’s what this website seems to be all about–those who reflect the “moral image of God” telling others how wrong and dangerous and immoral useless their faith and beliefs are, and why they should just shut up and leave the Church.

This isn’t about labelling anyone–this is about the truth and making sure it returns to our classrooms. I know you and Eddie can’t see why I and others here want to hold the members to their baptismal vows or surrender their membership, but as far as I can see this is the only way to put an end to this whole thing.

In most of today’s society, it is all about allowing people to “be their own person” and hold their own opinions. This isn’t about opinions. This is about truth and error.

I have no problem if you hold your own opinions on anything that doesn’t contradict our doctrines. But the doctrines are not up for discussion. They were given to us by God and we either adhere to them, or we break our baptismal vows…a position that is quite widespread among SDAs today.

The professors who teach evolution–even theistic evolution (or perhaps especially theistic evolution because it is more dangerous as it doesn’t openly declare it is in direct opposition to God and His word when it actually is)–are taking the word of man over the word of God. To me, that is incredibly foolish, and I would expect better of educated people.

Worse yet, these professors and teachers seem to be bent on spreading this teaching far and wide in our institutions. I reluctantly declare that the persons so deceived should not be in positions of trust or be members in good standing in our churches. I get no enjoyment from this declaration. I wish we were all of one accord. But I tend to look at things logically and to me, if someone doesn’t hold to the truths the church stands for they are in the wrong place.

The term “theistic evolution” is an oxymoron as you can either believe in God and His creation or you can believe in evolution. The two are diametrically opposed.

I fail to see how people who have been so highly educated cannot see this. The principles of evolution are so far away from anything God stands for, surely you must see that.

Remember this: if we do not fall on the
Rock and be broken, the Rock will fall on us and crush us. We can be wrong, albeit sincerely wrong and lose out on eternal life. As for the so-called evidences for evolution, remember that Ellen White said in the end times we will not be able to believe our senses. This is because Satan is allowed to use more and more of his power to deceive us as the Spirit of God is withdrawn from the earth. Don’t be fooled. Please, please, give up this nonsense and return to the fold. That is my prayer for all of you in this position. The opinion of your peers–especially the worldly ones–is certainly not worth losing out on eternal life.

As for perfection, I don’t know anyone who claims to be perfect. I know I am not. But we have to keep trying to be. We need to follow Christ so closely we will become like Him. That is the only hope for all of us.

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Prof Kent said:
“I’m a lifelong young-earth creationist (based to no small extent on faith in God’s word). I don’t doubt that there are some individuals who might be evangelistic in their desire to see theistic evolution established in the Church, so I share your concern.”

I am glad to hear that you believe as I do, yet I am puzzled as to some of the posts you have put up on this site if this is so. I am also puzzled as to why you would want to keep the wolves in the fold, so to speak.

You seem to be having some difficulty seeing that Creation and belief in the Bible as God’s Holy Word are such basic beliefs in the SDA church that if either of them is not fully accepted and supported, the member is not fully committed as an SDA–or even a Christian, for that matter. Taking his name off the books is a mere formality. He has already taken himself out of the church. Whether or not he warms a pew every Sabbath, his heart is not fully surrendered to God.

Let me make myself clear here. I am not suggesting we investigate anyone. I am referring here to those who openly declare their unbelief. Anyone who believes in evolution in its accepted forms (including theistic evolution) is basically calling God and His word a liar. In my book that constitutes blasphemy. I believe God. I believe His word. I love God, and I want to serve Him with my whole heart. James talks about a double-minded man and I think that applies quite well to the theistic evolutionist.

Do I care about the person in error? Of course I do. I would love to see everyone on earth saved–just as I am sure God would as well. But you and I both know that is not going to be the case.

Satan is working hard to get us all so he won’t have to burn for our sins. He knows time is short and he is working overtime to ensnare us. And he can use what God cannot–deception. I know that there must be some pretty convincing deceptions out there for SDA professors to be so deeply convinced. As far as I am concerned, anything or anyone that contradicts God and His word is immediately rejected. We are to test things by the scriptures–not by so-called scientific information. If the professors had done this in the first place, this whole mess wouldn’t have come about.

It is very similar to Eve questioning God’s word at the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Satan told her that God wasn’t telling the truth. Instead of contradicting him with what she knew of the Lord, she questioned if it may not be so. Isn’t it ironic that Satan has gained entrance to the church yet again through the pursuit of knowledge?

BTW, I do know the church went through growing pains. But I also know that God cleared it all up for them in time. Don’t forget that these people all came from other denominations and sometimes had to unlearn what they were taught all their lives before they could learn the truth. Many times God is gentle with us when we encounter drastic change in our lives.

I do have a bit of a problem with your date of 1980, however. I was taught from a child about the Trinity…and, trust me, that was long before 1980. (Perhaps that was a typo?) Perhaps it was only that it was adopted then formally to clarify things because someone started to question our belief. Wouldn’t surprise me. In any case, I believe that the term “Trinity” was the issue as the founding pioneers did not want people to become confused with the Catholic definition of trinity which is really wierd.

In conclusion, I pray we will all fully surrender ourselves to God for there is no other way to be saved.


The ANN Highlights LSU’s Dr. Lee Grismer – An Evolutionary Biologist
@Steve Billiter:
Steve said, “My position is as always; if any Adventist church member denies any one of our Biblically sound 28 beliefs persistently so, then that person should be removed from the church rolls and invited to join another church that’s more comparable with his/her beliefs.”

Amen, Steve. So few nowadays have the courage to take this stance. The truth is that if we continue to allow discord to continue within the church it will bring us all down. “A house divided against itself cannot stand.”

After all, when we join this church, we take vows before God that we agree with the beliefs of the church. Anyone who then blatantly contradicts these beliefs does not belong in the church and should be disfellowshiped.

The teachers and professors who do this should be held to a higher accountability than anyone else as they are entrusted with the minds of the students and they can do more damage in a shorter time than any other person.

In my opinion, as soon as this deviation arose, there should have been an immediate cull of those who did not agree with the teachings of the church and openly taught their students from their own viewpoint. This issue does not involve mere personal opinion–it involves sin in one of its ugliest and most treacherous forms.

God Bless you for having the courage to voice this, Steve.

Faith


The ANN Highlights LSU’s Dr. Lee Grismer – An Evolutionary Biologist
Shane said:

“These biologists at LSU assassinated their own character by remaining at an institution they were undermining. They were being dishonest and essentially stealing from parents who thought their kids were receiving an Adventist education. They robbed us, and the administration is party to it.

Your ludicrous accusations are the equivalent to blaming the shopper who identified a store employee slipping cash into their pocket from the register for all the problems the employee is going through.”

Sorry, Prof Kent, but I totally agree with Shane. This website has done an invaluable service to the church by letting the members know what is going on in our church-sponsored institutions. Something we all have every right to know. Shane and Sean did not make this situation, they merely reported it. This situation has been going on for 25-30 years now and Educate Truth has not been around for more than a couple of years to the best of my knowledge. So how could this site possibly be responsible for any of this? It’s entirely illogical.

My guess is that any Professor who wants to teach truth is avoiding LSU (and perhaps other like institutions) because they know that the faculty is corrupt, the program is corrupt, and those who try to do the right thing are often persecuted for their efforts.

You may have noticed I am anxious for action on this rather than just rhetoric.

I sincerely thank Educate Truth for dragging this stinking carcass out into the open so it can be dealt with for once and for all. I pray someone who has the courage will do this very soon to stop the bleed.


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Pauluc: “I do not judge my beliefs by anything other than the revelation of God in Jesus Christ. I judge my science by the conventions that has been the source of the knowledge of the world that we now possess and enjoy. I do not at all confuse the two.”

Seeing as science was created by God, just how do you presume to separate the two? Science, like every other part of our lives, should include God. You can’t profess to believe in a God that Created the earth when looking at religion and deny the Creator when looking at science. That would be “science-so-called”. True science reflects the Creator.

You can’t have it both ways–either you believe in the Bible and God as Creator in your science or you don’t believe the Bible and God as Creator in your religion. God does not accept the divided heart.


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Mack&#032Ramsy: You must either acknowledge a massive global conspiracy, or that there is some truth in what is being taught.

There is a massive global conspiracy, Mack. It is called Satan going around like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. All your supposed knowledge, if it contradicts in any way, shape, or form, what God stated in the Bible is WRONG. Anyone who is deceived thereby is not wise.

Mack&#032Ramsy: We’re trying to incorporate what the bible teaches in a constructive meaningful way.

Not so–you are doing violence to the Scriptures to try to make it fit man-made theories. You have chosen, unwisely, to reject God’s word in favour of man’s theories. That’s the truth of it.

Mack&#032Ramsy: Oh i know this is kind of a personal question but how many gay people have you killed this week? No? any pagans then? Hmm. Might want to get on that. Just a friendly suggestion in helping you be personally accountable for biblical teachings from friend in Jesus.

Hardly a friendly suggestion, Mack, more like a nasty accusation. I wonder how surprised you are going to be to see the wicked punished? God doesn’t like to do the dirty work, but it will have to be done. In the meantime, pointing out sin isn’t the same as killing someone, is it???


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God Bless you and your ministry, Bill.


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There has been much discussion on the church and whether or not it will, as an organization, go through to the end. In reading the various posts I have come to the conclusion that we seem to be using different definitions of ‘the end’ and thus are not in agreement on this topic. I would like to clarify, if I may, what I believe concerning the church and the end of time.

I do agree with many of you that there will be a time when the church will not be operating as a physical organization. That will be the time when we are scattered in various hiding places over the earth, or in prison, as the Lord sees fit–and this will happen after the close of probation with the entrance and enforcement of the International Sunday Laws. However, I don’t think that this negates the church being alive to the end. No, we won’t be meeting in churches, or paying our tithes and offerings to the organization just before God comes. But the church–the people and her doctrines–will survive to the end.

In the book Messenger of the Lord by Herbert E Douglass, he points to a statement that E G White made in 1908, “I am instructed to say to Seventh-day Adventists the world over, God has called us as a people to be a peculiar treasure unto Himself. He has appointed that His church on earth shall stand perfectly united in the Spirit and counsel of the Lord of hosts to the end of time.”18

The book goes on to say:

“Revelation 3 depicts no last-day church beyond Laodicea, thus giving hope that some day many of them will repent, overcome, and fulfill God’s plan for the last-day church (Rev. 3:18-21). No other subject for any church-related agenda, either for individuals or institutions, can be more urgent or important to implement.”

My beliefs agree with these statements. We have been given no other counsel to leave the Seventh Day Adventist Church. Since Ellen White was a prophet for the last days–to the very end of time, I think she would have made it crystal clear–abundantly clear–that we would have to leave this church if, indeed, we would. I remember a statement saying to the effect “Stay with the church for she will come into port.” So, I will not be looking for another church.

I do know it is possible for the church to become Babylon. The possiblity exists as long as there is sin on this earth. However, I think that if this is going to happen to the SDA church, it would have been prophesied for us, so that we would be prepared to leave the church. I also realize that new light may yet come to us…but I sincerely doubt that, in the light of the shaking (which is a reformation), we need to worry about this. I fully believe the church will be cleansed to allow the work to be finished. From what Sister Ellen says, those who come into the church will fill the places of the ones who are shaken out. This will happen before probation ends, or else there would be no way anyone could change.

Hopefully this makes my stance more clear on this subject. Sorry if I have misled anyone with my earlier posts.


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And round and round we go.

Professor Kent and Pauluc et al continue to try to force us all to admit to blind faith as the reason for our belief in Creation, and Sean, bless him, conintues to offer proofs for Creation because he knows that there are evidences of the Creator in Creation and we don’t have to take it all on “blind” faith. So…what is behind all this constant strife?

Here’s how I see it.

The professors and other like-minded individuals want us to claim blind faith because then they think they can put Creation into a little box called “Religion” and separate it from the box called “Science” (that’s their opinion, not mine.) This is a vain quest, because it can’t be done. You cannot separate the Creator from His science. You cannot, with any integrity, separate your religion from any part of your life. The only possible reason to try to do this is so you can put forth “proofs” propounded by mere men that don’t mesh with the Bible. This is being double minded…trying to serve God and man…which, of course is, in reality, not serving God at all, because you are basically calling Him a liar.

Don’t you realize that Satan is a masterful deceiver? Don’t you think he can manipulate the evidence to make you draw false conclusions from it? Don’t you realize that there is a perfectly good explanation for it all if it is seen in the correct light?

You see, this is where I feel that some SDA scientists lose their credibility. They have been faced with arguments that may, on the surface, prove evolution. So they begin to question God instead of questioning the evolutionists. Just the fact that if you look at the whole picture you can see that the world is getting worse and worse instead of better and better blows the whole theory of evolution right out of the water.

And why do our SDA scientists go to the world for their wisdom when we have the Bible and SOP to guide us? They are looking for worldly acceptance and acclaim, that’s why. They don’t want to be seen as the “lunatic fringe” who believe in God. They can’t tolerate the jeering of the worldly “scientists.” They perceive that as undermining their credibility and dignity as professional scientists. Well in actual fact, they lose their credibility as both Christians and scientists when they try to marry truth with error.

This is why Professor Kent’s claim to believe in Creation as stated in the Bible is not taken seriously. How can it be when he tries to claim there are no evidences to support Creation? That is simply not true. Sean can, and has, presented many evidences to support Creation. And there are many others out there like Sean that understand the significance of these evidences.

Of course the typical response from the “scientists” is that those who claim there is evidence for Creation are “uneducated”, “ignorant” people who “don’t understand scientific principles.” Yet these are the very people who claim that evolution, an unscientific and unprovable theory, is the answer to human origins. This is unfathomably faulty logic. There is no valid reason why SDA scientists should be promoting evolution in any of its forms.

While I know that there are aspects of God and His Creation that are a mystery to us at this point, and that must be taken on faith, we are not called to base our beliefs on “blind” faith. We have every reason to believe that God speaks the truth to us in His word and that we can rely on His veracity 100% whether or not we have concrete proof that what He claims is true. We have seen, and are seeing daily, prophecies come true. It is absolutely amazing that He could give Nebuchadnezzar a dream that accurately shows the world’s kingdoms right to the end of time. And it has all come to pass as predicted. That in itself should inspire complete confidence in His Word.

So, what it all boils down to is this: Professor Kent and Pauluc, who claim to have faith in God’s Word actually undermine it and Sean, who claims to have no blind faith, actually upholds the faith. Kind of funny, isn’t it?

Happy Sabbath everyone.