Comments on: President Randal Wisbey’s response to Asscherick http://www.educatetruth.com/letters/president-randal-wisbey-says-yes-we-teach-evolution/ La Sierra University promotes evolution over creation Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:30:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: John Bayne http://www.educatetruth.com/letters/president-randal-wisbey-says-yes-we-teach-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-33793 John Bayne Fri, 12 Aug 2011 15:22:22 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=19#comment-33793 I am an impartial observer here as an ex baptized member of this denomination, but have a sense of justice, and while looking for an email contact for David Asscherick, stumbled across this site, although I am writing here in clear support of David Asscherick's very fair, factual, reasonable and respectfully polite letter, I would like to chide him and other genuine SDA speakers like him, such as Pastor Stephen Bohr, as not providing any kind of site or place upon which to allow two way communication from anywhere in the world. I think, being extremely busy is no excuse, for a cursory glance at least and systematic choice of a sample at least of incoming emails would be better than nothing. But back to the issue here, I would like to declare that President Randall Wiseby's refusal to do both justice and basic civil right's, showing the spirit of accountability rather than authoritatianism, would at least preserve his good name and integrity regardless of what was said. But such an unjust, discourteous and misleading presentation of David Asscherick's letter would only fail to reveal this undesirable trait of character to those who had not read David's letter, or who were sufficiently uneducated as to realize just how reasonable, factual, politely respectful and deserving of a fair and just answer to his charges. It is, in many respects as bad to paint an unjustly negative and misleading picture of David Asscherick's letter as it is to allow heretical doctiness to be taught in an SDA institution. David has presented a strong enough case, that there is ample enough evidence that doctrines, which would be unequivocally condemned by Isaiah 8:20, they are so opposed to "the law and to the testimonies" if it is true that they are being taught as fact rather than taught as Satan's doctrines against what the Bible teaches, that failure to even attempt to reply direct to David Asscherick personally while clearly addressing each issue raised in David's letter, is as much an admission that the fears which David expresses in the letter are true, as refusing to take a breath test, when asked by a police officer suspecting drinking while under the influence of alcohol, is taken as an admission of guilt if a blood test is also refused. I am an impartial observer here as an ex baptized member of this denomination, but have a sense of justice, and while looking for an email contact for David Asscherick, stumbled across this site, although I am writing here in clear support of David Asscherick’s very fair, factual, reasonable and respectfully polite letter, I would like to chide him and other genuine SDA speakers like him, such as Pastor Stephen Bohr, as not providing any kind of site or place upon which to allow two way communication from anywhere in the world. I think, being extremely busy is no excuse, for a cursory glance at least and systematic choice of a sample at least of incoming emails would be better than nothing. But back to the issue here, I would like to declare that President Randall Wiseby’s refusal to do both justice and basic civil right’s, showing the spirit of accountability rather than authoritatianism, would at least preserve his good name and integrity regardless of what was said. But such an unjust, discourteous and misleading presentation of David Asscherick’s letter would only fail to reveal this undesirable trait of character to those who had not read David’s letter, or who were sufficiently uneducated as to realize just how reasonable, factual, politely respectful and deserving of a fair and just answer to his charges. It is, in many respects as bad to paint an unjustly negative and misleading picture of David Asscherick’s letter as it is to allow heretical doctiness to be taught in an SDA institution. David has presented a strong enough case, that there is ample enough evidence that doctrines, which would be unequivocally condemned by Isaiah 8:20, they are so opposed to “the law and to the testimonies” if it is true that they are being taught as fact rather than taught as Satan’s doctrines against what the Bible teaches, that failure to even attempt to reply direct to David Asscherick personally while clearly addressing each issue raised in David’s letter, is as much an admission that the fears which David expresses in the letter are true, as refusing to take a breath test, when asked by a police officer suspecting drinking while under the influence of alcohol, is taken as an admission of guilt if a blood test is also refused.

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]]> By: BobRyan http://www.educatetruth.com/letters/president-randal-wisbey-says-yes-we-teach-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-33105 BobRyan Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:12:56 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=19#comment-33105 Randall Wisbey's defense for the charge of T.E being promoted at LSU? 1. T.E. is not precisely the same as Atheist-Evolutionism so that makes us good. 2. Evolutionism is needed if you want to "better understand the world in which we live". 3. We have Bibles so we cannot be all bad. That was the 2009 spin - presented in such a way that those who actually opposed evolution might think Randall at times -agreed with them. How sad the deception. <blockquote>Wisbey said: Randall Wisbey in 2009 trying to parse his words so as not to be caught – Regarding Sean Pitman’s charge that they tech T.E. http://www.educatetruth.com/letters/president-randal-wisbey-says-yes-we-teach-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-33103 As president I take seriously any charge that La Sierra University is not fulfilling its sacred task and great responsibility to educate our students to be strong, thoughtful individuals whose worldview and hope is grounded in a close relationship with God. In particular, this letter charges that “naturalistic evolution” is taught at La Sierra University — even while suggesting that evolution should be taught at our Adventist colleges and universities so that our students can better understand the world in which they live. “Naturalistic evolution” is a phrase that either in code or direct definition implies a perspective of “atheistic evolution.” We reject this implied atheistic charge. Every one of our science faculty share the goal of students experiencing a vibrant Adventist Christian faith while pursuing their education in the sciences. </blockquote> You would think that AAA would have addressed this issue coming from the top of LSU given all the recent conclusions reached - Wisbey's spin above is left without any place to hide. in Christ, Bob Randall Wisbey’s defense for the charge of T.E being promoted at LSU?

1. T.E. is not precisely the same as Atheist-Evolutionism so that makes us good.

2. Evolutionism is needed if you want to “better understand the world in which we live”.

3. We have Bibles so we cannot be all bad.

That was the 2009 spin – presented in such a way that those who actually opposed evolution might think Randall at times -agreed with them.

How sad the deception.

Wisbey said:

Randall Wisbey in 2009 trying to parse his words so as not to be caught – Regarding Sean Pitman’s charge that they tech T.E.

http://www.educatetruth.com/letters/president-randal-wisbey-says-yes-we-teach-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-33103

As president I take seriously any charge that La Sierra University is not fulfilling its sacred task and great responsibility to educate our students to be strong, thoughtful individuals whose worldview and hope is grounded in a close relationship with God.

In particular, this letter charges that “naturalistic evolution” is taught at La Sierra University — even while suggesting that evolution should be taught at our Adventist colleges and universities so that our students can better understand the world in which they live. “Naturalistic evolution” is a phrase that either in code or direct definition implies a perspective of “atheistic evolution.”

We reject this implied atheistic charge. Every one of our science faculty share the goal of students experiencing a vibrant Adventist Christian faith while pursuing their education in the sciences.

You would think that AAA would have addressed this issue coming from the top of LSU given all the recent conclusions reached – Wisbey’s spin above is left without any place to hide.

in Christ,

Bob

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]]> By: LSU can’t deny the facts | http://www.educatetruth.com/letters/president-randal-wisbey-says-yes-we-teach-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-33103 LSU can’t deny the facts | Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:28:56 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=19#comment-33103 [...] where it became viral. The cat was out of the bag, and president Randal Wisbey published a public response on LSU’s website. Wisbey said, “‘Naturalistic evolution’ is a phrase that [...] [...] where it became viral. The cat was out of the bag, and president Randal Wisbey published a public response on LSU’s website. Wisbey said, “‘Naturalistic evolution’ is a phrase that [...]

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