Comments on: David Asscherick letter to the General Conference http://www.educatetruth.com/letters/david-asscherick-email-to-the-general-conference/ La Sierra University promotes evolution over creation Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:30:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ken http://www.educatetruth.com/letters/david-asscherick-email-to-the-general-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-36763 ken Sat, 04 Feb 2012 00:37:31 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=4#comment-36763 Re Bob's Quote "To be fair – AHS is not under the direct control of denominational mandate even though they have someone from the church sitting on their board." Wouldn't this be similar to the situation at LSU? Your agnostic friend Ken Re Bob’s Quote

“To be fair – AHS is not under the direct control of denominational mandate even though they have someone from the church sitting on their board.”

Wouldn’t this be similar to the situation at LSU?

Your agnostic friend
Ken

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]]> By: Holly Pham http://www.educatetruth.com/letters/david-asscherick-email-to-the-general-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-36762 Holly Pham Fri, 03 Feb 2012 23:49:43 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=4#comment-36762 <blockquote cite="comment-36758"> <strong><a href="#comment-36758" rel="nofollow">BobRyan</a></strong>: To be fair – AHS is not under the direct control of denominational mandate even though they have someone from the church sitting on their board. There are some practices going on under that separate group that would not be condoned by many conservative administrators in the church.Recall that when Ellen White had a problem with the Battle Creek Sanitarium should not simply press a button or throw a switch and make the problem go away.in Christ,Bob</blockquote> Bob, I agree there is not "direct" control by the Church. However, there IS a close relationship with it. A recent example is in the Feb 2012 Pacific Union Recorder on page 31, about how Adventist Health sponsored teams at the California International Marathon. AHS is featured in many articles in numerous SDA Church papers. So, our SDA Church has some responsibility to assure that AHS represents our SDA values, since we are "advertising" them as part of our SDA "family!"

BobRyan: To be fair – AHS is not under the direct control of denominational mandate even though they have someone from the church sitting on their board. There are some practices going on under that separate group that would not be condoned by many conservative administrators in the church.Recall that when Ellen White had a problem with the Battle Creek Sanitarium should not simply press a button or throw a switch and make the problem go away.in Christ,Bob

Bob, I agree there is not “direct” control by the Church. However, there IS a close relationship with it. A recent example is in the Feb 2012 Pacific Union Recorder on page 31, about how Adventist Health sponsored teams at the California International Marathon.

AHS is featured in many articles in numerous SDA Church papers. So, our SDA Church has some responsibility to assure that AHS represents our SDA values, since we are “advertising” them as part of our SDA “family!”

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]]> By: BobRyan http://www.educatetruth.com/letters/david-asscherick-email-to-the-general-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-36759 BobRyan Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:47:34 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=4#comment-36759 And by the mistyped "should" - I mean "she could" not simply press a button or throw a switch and make the problem go away. And by the mistyped “should” – I mean “she could” not simply press a button or throw a switch and make the problem go away.

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]]> By: BobRyan http://www.educatetruth.com/letters/david-asscherick-email-to-the-general-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-36758 BobRyan Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:46:25 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=4#comment-36758 <blockquote cite="comment-36754"> <strong><a href="#comment-36754" rel="nofollow">Holly Pham</a></strong>: Jereamy: I have presently discovered a horrific fact, that is, the Adventist Hospital system is conducting elective abortions. Also, it is the official statement of the church that (which can be found on their website) that they do not condemn abortion in the cases of rape, incest, genetic defect, or threat to a woman’s life. When did the 10 commandments become situational? Its ok to murder when the the situation does not fit our needs? Please, if I am wrong let me know. I agree with you. Our SDA Church has become one of continual compromises with the secular world. La Sierra is not the only place this is happening!</blockquote> To be fair - AHS is not under the direct control of denominational mandate even though they have someone from the church sitting on their board. There are some practices going on under that separate group that would not be condoned by many conservative administrators in the church. Recall that when Ellen White had a problem with the Battle Creek Sanitarium should not simply press a button or throw a switch and make the problem go away. in Christ, Bob

Holly Pham: Jereamy: I have presently discovered a horrific fact, that is, the Adventist Hospital system is conducting elective abortions. Also, it is the official statement of the church that (which can be found on their website) that they do not condemn abortion in the cases of rape, incest, genetic defect, or threat to a woman’s life. When did the 10 commandments become situational? Its ok to murder when the the situation does not fit our needs? Please, if I am wrong let me know.

I agree with you. Our SDA Church has become one of continual compromises with the secular world. La Sierra is not the only place this is happening!

To be fair – AHS is not under the direct control of denominational mandate even though they have someone from the church sitting on their board. There are some practices going on under that separate group that would not be condoned by many conservative administrators in the church.

Recall that when Ellen White had a problem with the Battle Creek Sanitarium should not simply press a button or throw a switch and make the problem go away.

in Christ,

Bob

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]]> By: Holly Pham http://www.educatetruth.com/letters/david-asscherick-email-to-the-general-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-36754 Holly Pham Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:05:33 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=4#comment-36754 <blockquote cite="comment-36749"> <strong><a href="#comment-36749" rel="nofollow">Jereamy</a></strong>: I have presently discovered a horrific fact, that is, the Adventist Hospital system is conducting elective abortions. Also, it is the official statement of the church that (which can be found on their website) that they do not condemn abortion in the cases of rape, incest, genetic defect, or threat to a woman’s life. When did the 10 commandments become situational? Its ok to murder when the the situation does not fit our needs? Please, if I am wrong let me know.</blockquote> I agree with you. Our SDA Church has become one of continual compromises with the secular world. La Sierra is not the only place this is happening!

Jereamy: I have presently discovered a horrific fact, that is, the Adventist Hospital system is conducting elective abortions. Also, it is the official statement of the church that (which can be found on their website) that they do not condemn abortion in the cases of rape, incest, genetic defect, or threat to a woman’s life. When did the 10 commandments become situational? Its ok to murder when the the situation does not fit our needs? Please, if I am wrong let me know.

I agree with you. Our SDA Church has become one of continual compromises with the secular world. La Sierra is not the only place this is happening!

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]]> By: Colin Maunder http://www.educatetruth.com/letters/david-asscherick-email-to-the-general-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-36090 Colin Maunder Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:04:58 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=4#comment-36090 The Western Samoans have shifted the dateline around their country to join a similar timezone as New Zealand and Australia, their major trading partners and neighbours. This meant skipping a day to move 24 hours into the future. They did this at the end of the year by dropping Friday 29th Dec. So they went from Thursday to Saturday, making that week a 6 day week. Some of the local SDAs sought advice regarding this from the SDA "leaders" in this part of the world and were told to stick to the old calender and keep the old Sabbath which is now sunday. The official church is now keeping the same day as the sunday keepers while a separate group is keeping the official Saturday, same as Kiwis and Aussies. The official SDA church in Tonga has been keeping their supposed 7th day Sabbath on sunday with the local sunday keepers for years. There is only one 24 hour period on earth at a time and those of us near the dateline just start the day earlier (west side) or later (east side) than those in Europe and the Middle East. Travellers crossing the dateline will end up with a 6 day or 8 day week but it is only a one off and local time always becomes the norm. For SDAs to keep the same day as sunday keepers, especially at their "leaders" urging, is nonsense, unbelieveable, and a triumph for the devil. The Western Samoans have shifted the dateline around their country to join a similar timezone as New Zealand and Australia, their major trading partners and neighbours. This meant skipping a day to move 24 hours into the future. They did this at the end of the year by dropping Friday 29th Dec. So they went from Thursday to Saturday, making that week a 6 day week. Some of the local SDAs sought advice regarding this from the SDA “leaders” in this part of the world and were told to stick to the old calender and keep the old Sabbath which is now sunday. The official church is now keeping the same day as the sunday keepers while a separate group is keeping the official Saturday, same as Kiwis and Aussies. The official SDA church in Tonga has been keeping their supposed 7th day Sabbath on sunday with the local sunday keepers for years. There is only one 24 hour period on earth at a time and those of us near the dateline just start the day earlier (west side) or later (east side) than those in Europe and the Middle East. Travellers crossing the dateline will end up with a 6 day or 8 day week but it is only a one off and local time always becomes the norm. For SDAs to keep the same day as sunday keepers, especially at their “leaders” urging, is nonsense, unbelieveable, and a triumph for the devil.

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]]> By: Bill Sorensen http://www.educatetruth.com/letters/david-asscherick-email-to-the-general-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-36087 Bill Sorensen Thu, 05 Jan 2012 04:12:22 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=4#comment-36087 "The problem is that when they bend the international date line in places like the Marshall Islands – this issue of which is the real 7th day comes up. And when the switch it back again – the same issue comes up again. A sticky problem because that dateline is a line drawn by man." I think we understand the problem, Bob. But, if the world moves the date line, and make it a different numbered day, then we need to still keep the day before Sunday. We don't want to keep the same day as Sunday keepers. If they move the day, so can we. I know it is a unique problem. But in one sense, it is a false dilemma. Apparently, they moved it back to the original line. So we moved when they did the first time. All we have to do is move again. There is probably not that many people involved. The devil will create as much obscurity as possible so biblical issues become confusing. I guess one question I would ask is this, "What are Sunday keepers doing about the change?" Let's just keep the Sabbath before they keep Sunday. If they keep Sunday as the seventh day, then they can not honor the resurrection. The authority of the Catholic church is at stake here. It is the church vs. the bible. I'm sure the devil has more tricks before the end. His main goal is to create confusion, and claim the bible is not clear in defining the will of God. And if it is not, then who do we ask? The Catholic church, of course. Same as this creation/evolution discussion. In that case, we ask the scientist. And then claim the bible is not sufficiently clear to draw a viable conclusion. Ask Dr. Taylor. Bill Sorensen “The problem is that when they bend the international date line in places like the Marshall Islands – this issue of which is the real 7th day comes up. And when the switch it back again – the same issue comes up again.

A sticky problem because that dateline is a line drawn by man.”

I think we understand the problem, Bob. But, if the world moves the date line, and make it a different numbered day, then we need to still keep the day before Sunday.

We don’t want to keep the same day as Sunday keepers. If they move the day, so can we. I know it is a unique problem. But in one sense, it is a false dilemma.

Apparently, they moved it back to the original line. So we moved when they did the first time. All we have to do is move again. There is probably not that many people involved.

The devil will create as much obscurity as possible so biblical issues become confusing.

I guess one question I would ask is this, “What are Sunday keepers doing about the change?” Let’s just keep the Sabbath before they keep Sunday.

If they keep Sunday as the seventh day, then they can not honor the resurrection. The authority of the Catholic church is at stake here. It is the church vs. the bible.

I’m sure the devil has more tricks before the end. His main goal is to create confusion, and claim the bible is not clear in defining the will of God.

And if it is not, then who do we ask? The Catholic church, of course.

Same as this creation/evolution discussion. In that case, we ask the scientist. And then claim the bible is not sufficiently clear to draw a viable conclusion. Ask Dr. Taylor.

Bill Sorensen

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]]> By: BobRyan http://www.educatetruth.com/letters/david-asscherick-email-to-the-general-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-36084 BobRyan Thu, 05 Jan 2012 03:23:53 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=4#comment-36084 The problem is that when they bend the international date line in places like the Marshall Islands - this issue of which is the real 7th day comes up. And when the switch it back again - the same issue comes up again. A sticky problem because that dateline is a line drawn by man. The problem is that when they bend the international date line in places like the Marshall Islands – this issue of which is the real 7th day comes up. And when the switch it back again – the same issue comes up again.

A sticky problem because that dateline is a line drawn by man.

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]]> By: Holly Pham http://www.educatetruth.com/letters/david-asscherick-email-to-the-general-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-36082 Holly Pham Thu, 05 Jan 2012 02:30:47 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=4#comment-36082 <blockquote cite="comment-36075"> <strong><a href="#comment-36075" rel="nofollow">Colin Maunder</a></strong>: What are our leaders doing? Well here in the South Pacific division our Samoan fellow SDAs are being told to keep the same day as the sunday keepers, not the day before them. In Tonga SDAs have done this for years. These “leaders” have lost the plot.</blockquote> Being told by who? The Conference President? The pastors? Please give us the names of these heretics and apostates, so we may have the complete story.

Colin Maunder: What are our leaders doing? Well here in the South Pacific division our Samoan fellow SDAs are being told to keep the same day as the sunday keepers, not the day before them. In Tonga SDAs have done this for years. These “leaders” have lost the plot.

Being told by who? The Conference President? The pastors? Please give us the names of these heretics and apostates, so we may have the complete story.

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]]> By: Holly Pham http://www.educatetruth.com/letters/david-asscherick-email-to-the-general-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-36077 Holly Pham Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:07:43 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=4#comment-36077 <blockquote cite="comment-33603"> <strong><a href="#comment-33603" rel="nofollow">BobRyan</a></strong>: As it turns out – David is one of the SDAs that NAD president Dan Jackson said he wished to see sternly disciplined specifically for daring to take the stand he took in this letter above. I wonder how that’s going.in Christ,Bob</blockquote> Yes, the word is Jackson wanted to "spank" Pastor Assherick. Would Jackson please step forward to attempt this? I don't think he could move fast enough to even get close to Pastor Dave!

BobRyan: As it turns out – David is one of the SDAs that NAD president Dan Jackson said he wished to see sternly disciplined specifically for daring to take the stand he took in this letter above. I wonder how that’s going.in Christ,Bob

Yes, the word is Jackson wanted to “spank” Pastor Assherick. Would Jackson please step forward to attempt this? I don’t think he could move fast enough to even get close to Pastor Dave!

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