Historical science is not natural law science. Historical science is …

Comment on The Adventist Accrediting Association to Approve LSU’s Accreditation by Sean Pitman.

Historical science is not natural law science.

Historical science is based on interpretations of empirical evidence via scientific methodologies – the same as any other field of science.

I assume you opt for the gap theory because some elements appear to be older than six thousand years. Like rocks and other strata.

No. As I’ve already explained in this thread many times, I favor the passive gap theory because it seems to me to be more consistent with all of the the Bible passages that deal with the topic of origins. It has nothing to do with how mainstream scientist date rock or strata – nothing at all. If it did have anything to do with the mainstream “science” of dating rocks then I would be inconsistent in accepting some of their ages for some rocks while rejecting their ages for other types of rocks.

In another post, you mention David Asscherick as an individual with spiritual discernment who also opts for your view. David Asscherick believes in WO. And is now advocating the “Moral influence theory” like Ty Gibson and his ministry which David is now a part of. That he would endorse a gap theory is not so surprising in light of the “company he keeps”. There are more than a few concepts Asscherick embraces not endorsed by the SDA church. Some may seem harmless, but as EGW has well said, “Error is never harmless……”

David Asscherick believes in and promotes the “substitution model” of atonement while maintaining, at the same time, that a moral influence was also involved. He does believe, as do I and most other Adventists, that Jesus’ life and death did have a “moral influence” on His followers. However, this isn’t the same thing as arguing that there was no substitutional requirement involved with His death on the cross.

As far as women’s ordination, Asscherick also supports the church’s position. While he personally sees nothing fundamentally wrong with WO, he believes that church order and government are of more primary importance and that those churches and conferences that act outside of the organization of the church (i.e., the decisions of the General Conference on such issues) are seriously mistaken in their actions.

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This is the same language used by the Bible. Whatever “wiggle room” the Bible leaves open is still open when one uses this language. The Bible is not clear that the “creation of the heavens and the earth” means that the material of the Earth itself was created during creation week. Quite the opposite is true. The Bible seems to suggest that something was here prior to creation week. Or, at the very least, leaves this question open.


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Oh please. You do realize that there are difference kinds of “heavens” in Hebrew understanding? This is not a statement arguing that God made the entire universe…


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The question is if you or anyone else has even tried to explain how the evolutionary mechanism (RM/NS) can tenably work beyond very very low levels of functional complexity. The answer to that question is no. This means that this mechanism is not backed up by what anyone would call real science. It’s just-so story telling. That’s it. There is nothing in scientific literature detailing the statistical odds of RM/NS working at various levels of functional complexity. And, there is no demonstration beyond systems that require a few hundred averagely specified residues.

What is interesting is that no one who controls the mainstream journals will publish any observations as to why a real scientific basis for the Darwinian mechanism is lacking. The basic information is there. Contrary to Pauluc’s claims, a precise definition of “levels of functional complexity” has been published, along with what happens to the ratios of potential beneficial vs. non-benficial sequences. What no one is allowing to be published is the implications of this information.

Regardless, the implications should be clear to you. The math is overwhelmingly clear. If the ratio of beneficial vs. non-beneficial goes from 1 in 100 to 1 in 1,000,000,000,000 the fact that the average time to success will decrease quite dramatically doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out. Evolutionists, who have actually seriously considered this problem must recognize the implications here, but seem to be trying to brush it all under the rug because no one knows of any other viable mechanism (again, despite Pauluc’s unsupported claims to the contrary – to include his “life enzymes”).

In any case, it is possible for you to move beyond blind faith in the unsupported claims of your “experts” and consider the information that is available to all for yourself. Start at least trying to do a little math on your own and you will no doubt recognize the problem for yourself regardless of what your experts continue to claim – without any basis in empirical evidence or science.

Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com


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