As you know I think evolution is correct. As an agnostic I am not a member of the SDA church.

I have not seen an official response of LSU to Mr Bishop’s complaint. However, with that caveat in mind, it certainly appears as if Mr Bishop has been dealt with unjustly and unfairly and I object to LSU’s conduct in that regard. Louie is a brave individual with integrity and applaud Educate Truth for coming to his defence.

Regards
Ken

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Shane Hilde says:
October 17, 2010 @Professor Kent: If we had continued to let LSU keep things a secret, their questionable teaching practices would not have caused them any derision or division in our church. You’re blaming Educate Truth for pointing the finger at the institution causing the problem. That’s equivalent to blaming those who exposed the terrible atrocities happening within the Catholic church between priests and children.

It is typical “shoot the whistleblower” in order to protect the evolutionist agenda – a tactic that even a non-Christian society can “see” as a bad thing.

in Christ,

Bob

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@Professor Kent: If we had continued to let LSU keep things a secret, their questionable teaching practices would not have caused them any derision or division in our church. You’re blaming Educate Truth for pointing the finger at the institution causing the problem. That’s equivalent to blaming those who exposed the terrible atrocities happening within the Catholic church between priests and children. In no way is that atrocity equal to what is happening at LSU. The point is you’re ignoring the fact that LSU is the divisive one. While creating a website to publicize their error is not the most effective way to address things, you and others have failed to come up with an effective way to deal with the problem that hasn’t already been tried and failed. LSU admin wasn’t holding themselves accountable, the Union wasn’t holding LSU accountable, and Paulsen wasn’t about to hold LSU accountable, so finally the laity decided to hold LSU accountable by publicizing what they’re doing and then let the church decide how to react.  (Quote)

Well stated, Shane. The total lack of any responsibility in our SDA Church, including Paulsen is and was shameful!

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While creating a website to publicize their error is not the most effective way to address things, you and others have failed to come up with an effective way to deal with the problem that hasn’t already been tried and failed. LSU admin wasn’t holding themselves accountable, the Union wasn’t holding LSU accountable, and Paulsen wasn’t about to hold LSU accountable, so finally the laity decided to hold LSU accountable by publicizing what they’re doing and then let the church decide how to react.

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You say that you attended LSU – became a liberal and leapt off the cliff…

Educating Truth = Derision + Division

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I attended La Sierra University.I studied under Dr. Webster and even took my pre-medical courses (i.e. biology) at LSU.I graduated with a BA in Religious Studies…and it hurts me some of the comments that was mentioned up above.(just a couple examples)1. “While it is true that Adventism in southern California includes a very large constitutency that is theologically liberal, it is also true–as you have noted–that many godly, dedicated Adventists live in that region also. Sadly, too many of them keep silent at moments such as these.”
- It seems to be implied that because I am a theologically liberal I am not as “godly, dedicated Adventist”?Let me remind you that liberal or conservative…WE are ALL BROTHERS and SISTERS in Christ.And being “liberal” does not make me or anyone else less “godly or dedicated to Adventism.”2. “There is a present growing evil at work at La Sierra, and the Pacific Union, if it does not take decisive action soon, will be held equally guilty for harming the students’ faith at this institution.”
- I graduate with a BA in Religious Studies and took Pre-medical science course…and in NO WAY did it rattle my faith.In fact La Sierra opened up to me a new understanding of Salvation and God’s grace.I became a student missionary because of the teachings at LSU, and it changed my life FOREVER!In fact, being a “liberal” Adventist allowed me to reach to my students more personally then (what many of you would call) the other “conservative” students were able to do.BUT that does not mean I was more “holy, godly, dedicated, etc” because I reached to more students then the others.I studied evolution…AND creation.Yet, in no way was it an “evil” that “harmed by faith.”I do applaud Louie for his courage to stand up for the church beliefs.However, I stand up for mine as well.There are different types of individuals in the world.There are different types of SDA students.And I am one that is capable of believing that there is a possibility of an “days of inaugaration” in the idea of creation.And if you claim to NOT support LSU because its teaching go against the “literal, 24 hour day” creation…or claim that there is “evil rising” in LSU..then IN A WAY…you put down my education, my Love for Christ, my faith as a Christian and Seventh-day Adventist that I GAINED from LSU.It breaks my heart to see this issue bring conflict to the SDA community.I love all my brothers and sisters of the SDA church…and I pray that you understand where I am coming from as a concerned and hurt Alumni in regards to the many comments mentioned here.La Sierra University is a great school…and I hope whatever the outcome of all this…we all realize that we believe and love the same God, same mission, same message…the ideas of “days of inauguration” and “literal 24 hour days” is not worth this “conflict.”Whether you agree or disagree with what I’ve said, I hold true to my beliefs and am very proud of my education from LSU.I hope in no way that this msg causes conflict…but rather understanding from my point of view as an alumni of the School of Religion (who has also taken the major science courses) of LSU.Thank you.
  

Amen.
What would God think if he were to see this post.
“The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today… is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is simply what an unbelieving world finds unbelievable. “

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You denigrate and belittle the church and its beliefs, yet you dont even know that there are 28 Fundamental Beliefs. Maybe for your sake, you should consider some research and investigation before inserting “foot in mouth”.
I also would like to mention that those(saints) “…which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”(Rev 12:17) will NOT fade, this includes the SDA church. Yes, the majority inside the Church will fall by the wayside(Matthew 7:14), but the SDA church and those loyal to God and His commandments will stand until the Second Advent of Christ. The Church would appear as though it is about to fall, but it will not.
It is obvious you have taken man’s ways over God’s ways(Is 55:8,9), I am truly sorry you have chosen the former. God knew that mankind would profess to be “wise” in his foolishness, but God’s foolishness(creation) is wiser than men(1Cor 1:25-27; 3:18-21). I hope you figure out that trusting in evolution as the source of life is a slap in God’s face. Are you sure you wish to bear that burden upon the day of judgement? Why not take God at His word? Faith is the unity of BELIEF and TRUST in God and His word.  

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Will accepting modern ideas possibly damage the 27 fundamental beliefs?

You denigrate and belittle the church and its beliefs, yet you dont even know that there are 28 Fundamental Beliefs. Maybe for your sake, you should consider some research and investigation before inserting “foot in mouth”.

I also would like to mention that those(saints) “…which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”(Rev 12:17) will NOT fade, this includes the SDA church. Yes, the majority inside the Church will fall by the wayside(Matthew 7:14), but the SDA church and those loyal to God and His commandments will stand until the Second Advent of Christ. The Church would appear as though it is about to fall, but it will not.
It is obvious you have taken man’s ways over God’s ways(Is 55:8,9), I am truly sorry you have chosen the former. God knew that mankind would profess to be “wise” in his foolishness, but God’s foolishness(creation) is wiser than men(1Cor 1:25-27; 3:18-21). I hope you figure out that trusting in evolution as the source of life is a slap in God’s face. Are you sure you wish to bear that burden upon the day of judgement? Why not take God at His word? Faith is the unity of BELIEF and TRUST in God and His word.

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I attended La Sierra University. I studied under Dr. Webster and even took my pre-medical courses (i.e. biology) at LSU. I graduated with a BA in Religious Studies…and it hurts me some of the comments that was mentioned up above.

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- It seems to be implied that because I am a theologically liberal I am not as “godly, dedicated Adventist”? Let me remind you that liberal or conservative…WE are ALL BROTHERS and SISTERS in Christ. And being “liberal” does not make me or anyone else less “godly or dedicated to Adventism.”

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- I graduate with a BA in Religious Studies and took Pre-medical science course…and in NO WAY did it rattle my faith.

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I studied evolution…AND creation. Yet, in no way was it an “evil” that “harmed by faith.”

I do applaud Louie for his courage to stand up for the church beliefs. However, I stand up for mine as well. There are different types of individuals in the world. There are different types of SDA students. And I am one that is capable of believing that there is a possibility of an “days of inaugaration” in the idea of creation. And if you claim to NOT support LSU because its teaching go against the “literal, 24 hour day” creation…or claim that there is “evil rising” in LSU..then IN A WAY…you put down my education, my Love for Christ, my faith as a Christian and Seventh-day Adventist that I GAINED from LSU.

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La Sierra University is a great school…and I hope whatever the outcome of all this…we all realize that we believe and love the same God, same mission, same message…the ideas of “days of inauguration” and “literal 24 hour days” is not worth this “conflict.”

Whether you agree or disagree with what I’ve said, I hold true to my beliefs and am very proud of my education from LSU.

Amy – thank you for sharing.

You say that you attended LSU – became a liberal and leapt off the cliff of abandoning the historical grammatical method of exegesis – and adopted the “days of inauguration” story instead of accepting the clear Bible statement “SIX days you shall labor … for in SIX DAYS the Lord MADE the heavens and the earth the seas and all that is in them”.

you then claim that this is “your belief” and “your faith” as if the 28 Fundamental Beliefs no longer exist – but rather each person simply roll-out whatever they choose for “their belief” when it comes to Bible doctrine. While it is true that some choose a baptist belief other methodist and others the 28 Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists — it is NOT true that ALL beliefs no matter how varied are still just the 28 Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists.

And then you say this “has not damaged your faith”.

I beg to differ. Your own post is transparent in showing just some of the damage done to your beliefs – your faith as compared to the doctrines of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

The fact that you come away not being aware of the extent of the damage done testifies to the efficience and effectiveness of the methods used at LSU to introduce error.

in Christ,

Bob

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