If LSU biology science departments entered into religious areas other than origins and “belief” in evolutionism, embracing the way that Tesla combined spiritualism with his “science” for example — but confined that apostasy to just upper division courses – we “could argue” that most studenst at LSU would not be affected by it directly so ‘take no action’.

But if administrators really took such a hands-off no-concern attitude towards their job – then soon we would have an LSU goal of “being the best public university that Adventist tuition, tithe and offering dollars can buy” and nothing more.

in Christ,

Bob

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On the other hand – the evidence of a pro-evolution scorched-bible policy in both the religion and biology departments at LSU is pretty hard to ignore as we saw here.http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/lsu-cant-deny-the-facts/comment-page-1/#comment-16275

Thus pointing to the problem that LSU professors themselves admit to –

So this places biology and religion majors at LSU at “highest risk”.

It places other students “at risk” only as they are required to take courses in those departments as “electives” and then only to the extent that professors in those departments feel inclined to “indoctrinate for evolutionism” even in the 101 and 201 level general coursework. So who knows how often that might be?

@Geanna Dane:

On the other hand – many LSU students know nothing about this “evidence” and are completely unaffected by it. Geanna Dane(Quote)

True – many of the art, history, business, chemistry, math, education majors etc could be oblivious to what is being taught in the biology and religion departments if they do their best to avoid those departments outside of electives, do not talk to other students who are neck-deep into those departments and are not overly influenced by the much more prevalent “I am not an evolutionist but evolutionism is no big deal after all we teach that it is fact here, nobody should care if it is promoted by our universities or not” crowd.

Ellen White has an interesting comment on the general idea.

What astonishing deception and fearful blindness had, like a dark cloud, covered Israel! This blindness and apostasy had not closed about them suddenly; it had come upon them gradually as they had not heeded the word of reproof and warning which the Lord had sent to them because of their pride and their sins. And now, in this fearful crisis, in the presence of the idolatrous priests and the apostate king, they remained neutral. If God abhors one sin above another, of which His people are guilty, it is doing nothing in case of an emergency. Indifference and neutrality in a religious crisis is regarded of God as a grievous crime and equal to the very worst type of hostility against God. {3T 280.3}

in Christ,

Bob

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I don’t think there is anything any of you truly wish to hear from me.

Actually, Geanna, I believe you’ve been good for this blog. It gets boring when everyone is in total agreement. In a discussion, mind sharpens mind, and, if we are open to it, we can clarify our own thinking in the process.

You’ve asked some good questions and brought up some valid points. Please don’t take it personally when we don’t just swallow them whole.

As for your note to Sean – I read it first without seeing your name, and thought that someone was offering high praise, not altogether undeserved. And then I saw your name at the top and figured that it could be read very differently too.

You’ve used sarcasm in the past, so it’s really hard to know when you appear to say something out of character with past statements and actually mean it.

We’ve grown rather fond of you here and will really miss you if you leave…

Heaps of blessings,
Inge

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I wrote a very nice, very sincere reply to Sean, thanking him for the many positive things he does for the church. There was no anger or sarcasm in the message.

You really don’t see how anyone who has read many of your posts would reasonably interpret much of your reply here (@Geanna Dane) as being the least bit sarcastic?

Anyway, all the best to you. Again, my father remembers you and your family fondly from your time at BMA and wishes you well. I think he even baptized you if I am remembering correctly?

I just want to say before you go that, if nothing else, you certainly got people thinking and talking on this forum. ; )

Sean

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I wrote a very nice, very sincere reply to Sean, thanking him for the many positive things he does for the church. There was no anger or sarcasm in the message. I don’t know why it has not been approved for posting yet, but he is welcome to treat and interpret the message as he wishes. I’ve made my peace and I am finished for good.

Good-bye

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I didn’t say either, Sean.

If you agree that this issue is important and something needs to be done to correct what is being promoted at LSU, promoted as a direct attack on the clearly stated Pillars of SDA Faith, what is your recommendation to solve the problem? I’m very curious to hear what you would recommend…

Sean Pitman
http://www.DetectingDesign.com

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I think Geanna considers Shane and I to be the divisive ones. She doesn’t seem to consider that perhaps the actions of LSU are divisive. Several LSU professors in both science and religion departments have been in direct long-standing and open rebellion against the stated goals and ideals of the SDA Church. Despite the concerted efforts of many to privately address and turn the course of LSU, there has been strong resistence and even outright denials of the obvious truth of the situation. Yet, Geanna pins the blame for division, not on LSU, but on those who are striving for increased transparency from our schools and to correct the fundamental division that is already there and has been tearing the Church apart for decades…

I’m sorry Geanna, but if you really value the experience you have had in SDA schools, as compared to your public school education, you should be supporting us on this issue – not attacking us for producing increased transparency here. After all, without some sort of resistance to what is taking place in schools of ours like LSU, there would be no school for you to attend that would be significantly better than the secular schools you attended where professors were obviously scornful of your “ludicrous” beliefs in the literal Genesis narrative – to include a literal creation week.

This very same thing has long been taking place at LSU, especially in the upper division science classes. For decades now LSU science professors have openly scoffed at the literal SDA interpretation of the Genesis account – publicly discounting such a nonsense position as equivalent to believing in something like a “flat Earth”…

And you’re attacking us for our efforts to maintain what you admittedly value so much?!

I believe your focus and passion are misplaced…

Sean Pitman
http://www.DetectingDesign.com

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There was once division and rancor among the the inhabitants of heaven. A leader stirred up a spirit of divisivness. Eventually, God’s body of believers was rent apart.

This is written to demonstrate that there should be no division among God’s people because a divided house will fall and that pleases Satan.

The corollary, judging by other statements by Deanna, would presumably be that God should have acceded to Satan’s requests so that the angelic host would not be “rent apart.”

Is this what you mean, Geanna?

If not, how is your illustration of the war in heaven applicable to the current situation, in your view? (I don’t deny that it’s applicable, but your manner of referencing doesn’t seem to fit the context.)

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Should we wait until LSU is totally “bad” until we correct something? I certainly hope not!

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Thank you for your concerns about the education of Adventist young people and for trying to find solutions to save them from losing their faith. We need them and they need us.

Thank you for attempting to share with Adventists your understanding of the overwhelming evidence that supports our belief in God, the Bible, Genesis, 6 days, 6,000 years, the spirit of prophecy, the nonexistance of the flying spaghetti monster, and the like. It’s refreshing to know that faith is not enough.

Thank you for bringing the importance of “transparency” and “on the church’s dime” to our attention. Your concepts are like manna to the faithful.

Thank you for pointing out individuals and institutions by name, and making clear to us how they continue to undermine the fundamental values and beliefs of our church and how our administrators have utterly failed to correct them. They must surely be a part of the much-anticipated omega apostasy.

Thank you for taking so much time to correct those of us who disagree with you. Perhaps there is hope for us after all.

Thank you for adhering so vigorously to what you believe to be God’s will for your life. We admire your fidelity to your stated positions and family and spiritual values.

Thank you for defending the faith of those who do not understand or agree with your views but still believe in many of the same spiritual truths that you do. We can only hope that they too can find their way to the kingdom of God.

Thank you for being so patient and respectful toward those who hold to different views than you do. Your example will perhaps inspire these individuals in ways that only God can understand.

May God bless you abundantly.

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