So, let me get this straight…God, the only *eye-witness* to …

Comment on Panda’s Thumb: ‘SDAs are split over evolution’ by Faith.

So, let me get this straight…God, the only *eye-witness* to creation is not to be believed, but some mere men who probably have a few initials behind their names can spout some theory and all the little “scientists” nod their heads and say, “It’s the truth and all you Creationists need to get into line” and we’re all supposed to abandon our Bibles and believe the lies written by the sciencists because they have a “higher education.” Foolish, foolish people. “Science” has taken the place of God in many lives from the professors on down the line. How sad. Souls are being lost and someone is going to pay big time on the judgment day.

Apparently you think you are all so intellectually superior yet you are the ones who scorn the Truth and follow after a lie. Not a smart move at all.

And if you are really SDAs and believe in the second coming of Christ, how do you think you will be saved after using the talents that God gave you to help students know the Truth–Creation, and you perverted those talents to try to convince students (His children) that Satan’s lie is the truth? How will you face Him? Are you going to accuse Him to His face of lying about our origins? Do you figure you will spend eternity telling Christ how He got it wrong and you can prove it with PowerPoint presentations? What is your goal anyway? It certainly can’t be heaven because sin will not exist there and you are steeped in it with this evolutionary trash.

You think you can muddy the waters of the issue by trying to cast aspersions on the Educate Truth site but you can’t. The men behind Educate Truth are in the right and it will be shown–but will it be in time for you evolutionists, who flatter yourselves you can remain in the church while undercutting all its principles, to finally see the light and change before it is too late?

Remember the higher you climb up the worldly ladder, the bigger the fall in the end. Turn ye, turn ye, from your sins for why will ye die? He who denies God and His Truth is the biggest fool in the world.


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Panda’s Thumb: ‘SDAs are split over evolution’

“But God, obviously, has left much room for doubt…”

I really don’t think that God has “left room for doubt” when He clearly and unequivocally declares that He created the earth and all that is in it in *six days*. It is Satan that is creating the doubt. And all evolutionists–Yes, even those who claim to be in the SDA church–are denying God and His power when they refuse to take Him at His Word that He did create the earth in six literal days and are instead giving glory to Satan and *his* doctrine.

“The SDA Church has NEVER taught, and NEVER will teach, that to be a faithful, non-lying, non-stealing member or employee, you must declare, “THE ROCKS AND THE DNA PROVE THAT GOD IS GOD.””

Not exactly so, PK. God doesn’t ask us to look for a literal stamp as you state, but He does expect us to give the glory to Him for *His* marvelous work of Creation. I refer to the angel in Revelation that declares God to be the creator of the earth. Remember that one?

“That’s Pitmanism, not Adventism!”

Wrong again, PK. It definitely is Adventism that embraces the six-day Creation doctrine. It you think otherwise you are deceived.

“I beg you folks to see the Satanic zeal on his part and the damage he is currently inflicting to the Church. A schizm can be avoided.”

And wrong one more time, PK. I see the Satanic zeal coming from the evolutionists rather than from Dr. Pitman. And a schizm cannot be avoided when truth is up against falsehood. To avoid such a schizm we would have to compromise the truth and, in my book, that will never happen.

By the way, I never got an answer to my previous question–what do the evolutionists think they will do when Jesus comes? Do they think that they will set Jesus and His people straight about creation? Give me a break! They will be calling on the very rocks they used to “prove” the evolutionary lie to fall on them.

Sin cannot exist with Truth. Evolution is sin. Creation is the truth. I feel sorry for all of you who have been led astray in the name of “higher education”. I pray you will see the error before it is too late. Instead of villifying those who are trying to straighten this mess out, you need to come to grips with the truth.

I pray you and all your companions will. I want to see all of you in heaven.


Panda’s Thumb: ‘SDAs are split over evolution’

@ FaithFaith, I would not have characterized Dr. Pitman this way, but I’m with you if your position is that “science” should never take precedence over faith. I think that’s a huge mistake.  (Quote)

Prof Kent: Neither would I characterize Dr. Pitman as such…I was referring to the evolutionists and you know it.

However, I agree with you about the science never taking precedence over faith in the Bible Truth.


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Changing the Wording of Adventist Fundamental Belief #6 on Creation
And you are correct, Sean, PK must consider where his influence is going–for God or against Him.

Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Mr Taylor,

After reading your comment above, I must say PK isn’t the only one in that boat.I would make some comment as to how I really feel about you, but I know Sean will only delete it and you won’t benefit from my insight anyway–seeing as Sean is more concerned about other people’s feelings than you seem to be.

How you have the nerve to come to this website and call us all a bunch of morons (which is really what you are doing) is beyond me. You and your cronies are the ones drowning in error. Anyone who dares to accept man’s opinions over the Bible or SOP isn’t to be trusted to define truth for anyone.

Too straight-forward in my comment? Trust me, I have restrained myself admirably. If you only knew….

Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Further to my comment on skeptism and our professors, I’ve got to tell you that I found Prof Kent to be extremely annoying in his comments on EGW. He seems to think that she is an embarrassment to the church when she speaks on Science.

Personally I find people who dis her to be the embarrassment to the church. I really don’t see how they dare to contradict and mock God’s prophet. By doing this they undermine a lot of our church’s beliefs to outsiders as well as church members. God will hold them accountable for that.

Furthermore, David’s unpublished manuscript plus other books I have read on archaeology have reported skeletons of the type that EGW mentions. Also found were artifacts such as huge iron bedsteads made for and buried with kings of huge stature.

Just because you haven’t done your research, PK, don’t jump to the conclusion the evidence isn’t there. It’s there, all right, and you make yourself look a little foolish for not knowing about it.

Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
David Read said:

“Ellen White’s statements about larger antediluvian life forms are well attested with regard to many different types of flora and fauna. They’re not even controversial…

Hi David,

As you know, I took advantage of your kind offer and I read your manuscript as well as I purchased 3 of your books, one for me, one for my sisters, and one for the church library. It took me a week to finish the book, and I and my sisters are very impressed with it. My one sister calls it “one incredible book”. It has answered a lot of the questions we had on the subject of evolution vs creation science, and, yes, I believe we (you and I and my sisters) are on the same page in our beliefs. We have immensely enjoyed discussing the various aspects of the subject as we read. It makes perfect sense to us.

I still have a couple of questions–new ones will probably always keep popping up–but I would say you have covered the subject admirably. Thanks so much for this book.

I agree with Elder Wilson, this is something every Adventist should read. In my opinion it should be used as required reading for science courses. It is exactly the way I would want science courses in the universities to treat the Creation/evolution debate in the classroom. And if the professors at LSU and the other SDA institutions would do this we wouldn’t be constantly losing our young people and, for that matter, our professors, to skeptisism.

Thank God someone has the courage to publish the truth and expose error.

God Bless you, David.

Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Hi Sean and Bill,

I am wondering if the difference of opinion here is due to varying definitions of the word ‘science’. As we all know there is true science and there is worldly psuedo-science.

If Bill’s understanding of ‘science’ in this case is actually worldly psuedo-science, then he is correct in not wanting any truth to be compromised with it.

From Sean’s post, I believe he is referring to true science, which is definitely part of our beliefs on origins and is well supported by the Bible and SOP, as Sean admirably demonstrated.

Not having seen the exhibit myself, I cannot comment on whether or not they are mixing psuedo-science into it. (Perhaps a few of you posters out there can see the exhibit and report back to us.) Knowing the general philosophy of SAU, I would be surprised if they did.

Their goal is “to provide scientific evidence that substantiates the Bible’s account of creation.” Sounds good to me.
They also say: “Religion and science don’t need to be at odds.” And that is true when you are referring to true science, which I believe they are.

However, I do understand Bill’s reaction in that these days when people use the word ‘science’ without qualification it so often means evolutionary pseudoscience, that we tend to be suspicious.

I think, Bill, that in this case we don’t need to worry. I believe SAU’s heart is in the right place and I am so glad that at least one of our institutions is willing to stand up and be counted on the side of Creation, even though they will probably draw much criticism from the ‘scientific’ community as well as from the TEs in their own church.

God bless them for their fidelity to Him. And may God strengthen them to meet the onslaught that is most likely to follow, is my prayer for them.