Good morning everyone. Now that I have calmed down a bit, …

Comment on NAD President, Education Director Dialog with La Sierra Campus Community by Faith.

Good morning everyone.

Now that I have calmed down a bit, I think I may owe a bit of an apology for being a bit passionate about the subject. I am very passionate about the church and the truth and I tend to put things in a way that may not be as gentle as it should be.

However, I must confess I don’t understand why this whole mess has been allowed to go on so long. I am the type of person who wants immediate action when I see something that needs correcting. I am especially concerned that the longer this is allowed to continue, the more young people are being led astray. Precious souls are being lost for all eternity due to this heresy being taught in a supposedly SDA institution. I think that calls for immediate action.

If I had been the head of the GC, as soon as I heard about it, I would have been out there, suspended the departments involved while I investigated, and taken immediate and thorough action to cut off the heretical teachings. I bet I would have had it done in two weeks at the most…not two years…and I would have done what was right and let the chips fall where they may. As I see it, this is God’s institution and He can control circumstances in the way He sees fit.

I also get very upset when people criticize Shane and Sean for using this site to expose the problem. We should be grateful for these two men who have bravely sounded the alarm. They are the watchmen on the walls and they have withstood the fiery darts that have been aimed at them for their services. It isn’t like they did this for 15 minutes of fame. They did this to help rectify a situation they had tried to fix privately but without success.

Think about this, people…for several decades this has been going on, and as long as it was kept hushed, nothing was done to correct it, so it just silently grew worse and worse. I say, God bless Shane and Sean for their courage and grace under fire. The church owes them a debt of gratitude, not constant criticism.

They followed the Biblical perscription…first going to the people directly and then taking it to the church. Far from doing anything wrong they did things right.

I know that some of us have been very righteously indignant over this whole affair. But if you only knew it, some of the spicier comments were edited before many got to see them. (Many times, these were mine, so I know. ;-))

So, gentlemen, I personally thank you for your faithful service here. And I am sure the Lord has been using Educate Truth to help to get this situation fixed.

Have a great day everyone. I just realized I am going to be late for school! Yikes!

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NAD President, Education Director Dialog with La Sierra Campus Community

Odessa: Concern is one thing, but when such concerns are taken to the level in which they have been taken in this case, it is anything but Christian.

Really? I find it very interesting that the guilty parties and their supporters find it “unChristian” that the general membership of the SDA church is told about the heresy going on in its own institution, but it is apparently not “unChristian” to teach heresy in our institution. What kind of logic is this? Give me a break. What has been going on for decades at LSU is extremely unChristian. They don’t need to be whining about the fact that it has all come to light and they are now being criticized for their sin. Exactly what did they expect to happen? People are not going to thank them for leading their sons and daughters out of the church when in most cases they sacrificed to send their kids to an SDA institution so they wouldn’t be taught this evolutionary drivel in the first place. They blatently and deliberately went against God, the church, and its teachings when they did this. Did they not expect some sort of backlash? Sin always carries a penalty and if faculty, administrators, and board members have to face the music, that is no more than can be expected.

I don’t have a lot of sympathy for the faculty, administrators, and board members who were either actively or passively committing this sin. My sympathies go out far more to the parents and youth who have paid the consequences of this heresy for years–especially to those souls who may be forever lost as a consequence. I find it appalling that the perpetrators are in line for anyone’s sympathy while the victims are forgotten. In my opinion, some people need to shake their heads and get some perspective on this.

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And you are correct, Sean, PK must consider where his influence is going–for God or against Him.

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Mr Taylor,

After reading your comment above, I must say PK isn’t the only one in that boat.I would make some comment as to how I really feel about you, but I know Sean will only delete it and you won’t benefit from my insight anyway–seeing as Sean is more concerned about other people’s feelings than you seem to be.

How you have the nerve to come to this website and call us all a bunch of morons (which is really what you are doing) is beyond me. You and your cronies are the ones drowning in error. Anyone who dares to accept man’s opinions over the Bible or SOP isn’t to be trusted to define truth for anyone.

Too straight-forward in my comment? Trust me, I have restrained myself admirably. If you only knew….

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Further to my comment on skeptism and our professors, I’ve got to tell you that I found Prof Kent to be extremely annoying in his comments on EGW. He seems to think that she is an embarrassment to the church when she speaks on Science.

Personally I find people who dis her to be the embarrassment to the church. I really don’t see how they dare to contradict and mock God’s prophet. By doing this they undermine a lot of our church’s beliefs to outsiders as well as church members. God will hold them accountable for that.

Furthermore, David’s unpublished manuscript plus other books I have read on archaeology have reported skeletons of the type that EGW mentions. Also found were artifacts such as huge iron bedsteads made for and buried with kings of huge stature.

Just because you haven’t done your research, PK, don’t jump to the conclusion the evidence isn’t there. It’s there, all right, and you make yourself look a little foolish for not knowing about it.

Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
David Read said:

“Ellen White’s statements about larger antediluvian life forms are well attested with regard to many different types of flora and fauna. They’re not even controversial…

Hi David,

As you know, I took advantage of your kind offer and I read your manuscript as well as I purchased 3 of your books, one for me, one for my sisters, and one for the church library. It took me a week to finish the book, and I and my sisters are very impressed with it. My one sister calls it “one incredible book”. It has answered a lot of the questions we had on the subject of evolution vs creation science, and, yes, I believe we (you and I and my sisters) are on the same page in our beliefs. We have immensely enjoyed discussing the various aspects of the subject as we read. It makes perfect sense to us.

I still have a couple of questions–new ones will probably always keep popping up–but I would say you have covered the subject admirably. Thanks so much for this book.

I agree with Elder Wilson, this is something every Adventist should read. In my opinion it should be used as required reading for science courses. It is exactly the way I would want science courses in the universities to treat the Creation/evolution debate in the classroom. And if the professors at LSU and the other SDA institutions would do this we wouldn’t be constantly losing our young people and, for that matter, our professors, to skeptisism.

Thank God someone has the courage to publish the truth and expose error.

God Bless you, David.

Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Hi Sean and Bill,

I am wondering if the difference of opinion here is due to varying definitions of the word ‘science’. As we all know there is true science and there is worldly psuedo-science.

If Bill’s understanding of ‘science’ in this case is actually worldly psuedo-science, then he is correct in not wanting any truth to be compromised with it.

From Sean’s post, I believe he is referring to true science, which is definitely part of our beliefs on origins and is well supported by the Bible and SOP, as Sean admirably demonstrated.

Not having seen the exhibit myself, I cannot comment on whether or not they are mixing psuedo-science into it. (Perhaps a few of you posters out there can see the exhibit and report back to us.) Knowing the general philosophy of SAU, I would be surprised if they did.

Their goal is “to provide scientific evidence that substantiates the Bible’s account of creation.” Sounds good to me.
They also say: “Religion and science don’t need to be at odds.” And that is true when you are referring to true science, which I believe they are.

However, I do understand Bill’s reaction in that these days when people use the word ‘science’ without qualification it so often means evolutionary pseudoscience, that we tend to be suspicious.

I think, Bill, that in this case we don’t need to worry. I believe SAU’s heart is in the right place and I am so glad that at least one of our institutions is willing to stand up and be counted on the side of Creation, even though they will probably draw much criticism from the ‘scientific’ community as well as from the TEs in their own church.

God bless them for their fidelity to Him. And may God strengthen them to meet the onslaught that is most likely to follow, is my prayer for them.