Comment on LSU student petition criticizes curriculum by Ron Stone M.D..
Dr. Stone,Regarding intimidation, would you care to give some examples?And regarding the “conference office”, pastors are generally managed by their local conferences (i.e. Nevada-Utah, Arizona, Southern California) and not directly by the Union, unless someone can inform me of situations in which this is not the case.Finally, regarding the conference “coming down” on pastors, would we not agree that it is the work of the conferences to regulate and control the messages put forth by pastors who are employed by them?After all, this is what we insist the conference should do with the faculty and curriculum at La Sierra University.Pax,David Kendall, PhD
Adjunct Professor of Music
La Sierra University
Yes, the local Conference offices, and their leaders, are also a big part of the problem. I’ve already mentioned Jim Pedersen of the NCC. I also have a pastor friend from the SCC who told me Larry Caviness told him that the SCC is supporting “No on Prop 8” and he should too.
Last time I looked, the local conferences, and their leaders, were part of the Pacific Union Conference and a very BIG part of our problem out here.
Regarding whether the Conferences should “come down on” pastors, I would say yes IF the pastors are teaching something that is clearly non-biblical. The problem out here in California is we have a leadership that believes largely in secular humanistic ideas such as “evolution as fact” “gay marriage” and the like.
OR the leaders simply are so apathetic or liberal that they won’t do anything, even when a problem, such as LSU arises. Just about “anything goes” as far as our doctrines are concerned. And why not, aren’t all just different interpretations and equally valid?
Would a conference President such as Jim Pedersen “come down on” an ordained SDA pastor who teaches “gay marriage?” Well, he (Pedersen” told me he wouldn’t. So, it depends on WHAT someone teaches and preaches.
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Thanks for bringing this item back into our memories. As we see, the “problems” at LSU have a LONG history, going back to when LSU became “independent.”
Look who has led this place–Fritz Guy, Lawrence Geraty, and now Randall Wisbey! All liberal, progressives whose “world view” is to remake the SDA Church, starting with LSU into a secular, humanistic wordly institution.
Is it any wonder we see LSU being led down the secular, humanistic “primrose path?!”
I’m not sure the church listened to EGW in her day very well either.But we have been warned that the last work of Satan would be to make the Testimonies of none effect.(And I would say, the Bible as well).
Warren, I said “many more” at least here in California. I applaud the Alaska Conference and its President for taking a stand for God’s Truth. You’re correct that the Testimonies are practically “of none effect” in many areas in the Pacific Union Conference, either totally or simply through routine “lip service” references to them.
Brian Holland: “If a worldly influence is to bear sway in our school, then sell it out to worldlings, and let them take the entire control; and those who have invested their means in that institution will establish another school, to be conducted, not upon the plan of popular schools nor according to the desires of principal and teachers, but upon the plan which God has specified.” — Counsels to Parents, Teachers and Students p. 88.3
This “sell out” is actually happening today, in a very SLOW manner. Look at how LSU has become almost a secular institution, right before our very eyes!
The idea that there are “many ways” to God (Oprah has said a “million”) is totally opposite to what Jesus said, and is completely unbiblical. The fact that Geraty endorses such as view, and states that the things LSU teaches are “not bible study!” (They certainly aren’t!)
When you come to LSU, you gotta “grow up” and give up your previous “Sunday school” stuff (?)
And this guy was appointed to “lead” LSU! Can you understand WHY we have the problems at LSU?
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Faith: Prof Kent:How do you figure that this site keeps biology profs with integrity out of LSU? Any professor that is following the Bible, supporting creation, and the SDA church has nothing to hide and nothing to fear.When you say “quality” applicants, just how do you judge their credentials?As far as I am concerned, it is far more important that these professors have a firm grasp on the teachings of creation and the teachings of the Bible than any credentials the world can offer. If that had been the criteria used as a guideline for hiring, we wouldn’t be in this mess now. And that goes for all our SDA institutions.
I agree, Faith. However, the type of leadership (Guy,Geraty,and Wisbey)LSU has had over the past two decades shows why we have evolutionists teaching “evolution as fact” at LSU and those supporting any type of creationism being intimidated, both students, and I would suspect faculty as well.
Does the LSU Board even care about this deterioration in our biblical beliefs. Well, their inaction, ineptitude, and apathy in finding any solutions tell me they don’t, at least the majority who control the Board.
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BTW, If you’re a beer or ale drinker, the best are the “darker” and more “robust” varieties, as these have more antioxidants and phytochemical.
Or, you could just eat some oatmeal, barley, or similar whole grain!
I have much more knowledge of PUC, and it has as many or more problems as LSU, although these have been, so far, ignored by most. PUC thrives on its “high ratings” from U.S. News and World Report, etc. But, it would get much lower ratings if someone knowledgeable from an SDA rating agency actually did a thorough investigation of the school.
Adventist kid: @Ron Stone M.D.:Continue to believe that if you want. Not a scientific sample to say the least, but I just asked roughly 80 high school graduates from this year whether they chose which school they were going to or if their parents did. I didn’t even get ten who said their parents limited their choices or prevented them from going to their first choice.
I’ll continue to believe what I actually see and hear, not some biased opinion from you.
Do you know this or just a guess? I certainly hope they’re gone from LSU completely!