First you appear to argue that it is “demonizing and slandering” to admit that these LSU professors are actually teaching evolutionism as the right answer for a doctrine on origins of the complex genomes that we see in nature today — and then you appear to turn around and play the other side of the lane as well by making a statement claiming in effect that “teaching evolutionism is a good thing”.

You completely twisted my words. I never said it is demonizing and slandering to admit teaching evolution. I said that they are being demonized and slandered for teaching it. Stop trying to make me look like I contradict myself just because you feel threatened by my comment. That is the problem with people arguing against evolution. The only good argument they can come up with is in response to a twisted version of their opponents words.

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Why are you so afraid of this scientific concept that you would dedicate so much time and effort into slandering and demonizing those who teach it. It is clear that your faith is so week that you believe the teaching of a legitimate scientific theory could be the downfall of the SDA church.

Here is a suggestion “pick a lane”.

First you appear to argue that it is “demonizing and slandering” to admit that these LSU professors are actually teaching evolutionism as the right answer for a doctrine on origins of the complex genomes that we see in nature today — and then you appear to turn around and play the other side of the lane as well by making a statement claiming in effect that “teaching evolutionism is a good thing”.

Well if it is a “good thing” to teach the real ‘birds come from reptiles’ evolutionism storytelling as if it were science fact — then you must suppose we have accused them of “teaching a good thing” and then how in the world does that constitue slander.

On the other hand – the Adventist Denomination continues to teach (in all of its Universities (except LSU)) that the 7 day creation week less than 10,000 years ago is the real “event that happened in nature”. And of course the Church has just re-affirmed that conviction in the GC session this year. ( Look for even more affirmation of that fact in the soon to be revised FB #6 coming to an Adventist Book Store near you.)

in Christ,

Bob

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I love Dr. Grismer, Bradley, and McCloskey. They are such intelligent, funny and caring professors. They made my time at La Sierra worth the dinero. I wish I could have gotten to know Greer too. He seems like a cool guy. It’s so funny to read all these negative comments about them from people who’s opinion comes from “he said she said” third party statements. Seriously people, they are awesome professors and good hearted men

“awesome”?? “Good hearted”??

Not many posts on this thread dealinng with the “awesome-ness” or the pros-cons of the “goodheartedness” of the various professors at LSU. Just the simple issue of whether or not Prof Bradley is telling the truth when he states clearly to the media what he is teaching in class. Just the simple issue of having the critical thinking skills to look at the course work and see that “yes” Bradley is accurate in what he claims they are teaching.

Just the critical thinking skills to listen to Erv Taylor when he comes here and promotes non-stop-evolutionism just as he does when guest speaking at LSU.

In other words – facts along on this simple issue speak for themselves.

However were this a web site on the pro’s and con’s of the awesomeness of this professor or that professor at LSU — maybe we would indeed have differnt text in the posts just as you suggest.

in Christ,

Bob

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The fact that Louie got “black-balled” by administration for doing the same is a fairly good indication that La Sierra Administration also understands this.

Fortunetly, La Sierra has nothing on me – I never went there and I have no transcripts there. They can’t do anything to me. I’m not even employed by the chruch!

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SAU is one of several Adventist Universities that have been key leaders in the battle to oppose the junk-science and bad-religion that is called evolutionism.

LSU’s efforts to mask its agenda and deny the significance of its own professors boldly proclaiming their affirmation of evolutionism – is a striking contrast.

in Christ,

Bob

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If Sean and Shane think they are the ultimate authority on these things, they do have the control to edit, delete, censor, and even ban whatever they want, as they have been doing. I do not think I am detracting at all, but pointing out where their mission is lacking, which is not placing the problem in its proper perspective. The “problem” at LSU is much more deeply rooted than the few Biology profs and administrators at LSU.

Maybe they and you disagree?

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I simply wish you and Shane would allow those who have a different “take” on issues to state them, instead of editing, deleting, and censoring so much. I actually had more freedom to express my views at AT and Spectrum than I do here, even though they HATED what I said.

The problem with many of your posts is that they are unnecessarily inflammatory, personal, or pejorative. You often use ad hominem attacks in your posts which are either uncalled for, over the top, or which are simply irrelevant or distracting from the topic at hand. You do have some good ideas, but you really need to tone it down quite a bit in order to be more effective…

Sean Pitman

Ron,
You have been the most abrasive and antagonistic opponent of LSU on this site. Your strong feelings often bring you into verbal conflict with Educate Truth’s detractors – as well as the founders and moderators of Educate Truth!

This is unfortunate. In becoming abrasive with Educate Truth’s detractors you help to perpetuate their straw-man myth that everyone here is a cyberbully.

When you constantly end up in conflict with Educate Truth’s moderators and founders you detract from their stated mission and the spirit in which they are striving to carry it out. On occasion you have helped to give Educate Truth a bad name. If you would prefer to carry out a similar (but more vigorous) mission in a different spirit – then I would encourage you to start your own web site. It is a free country.

The reason that AToday and Spectrum may of allowed you more posting freedom is quite frankly – they probably view your abrasive, and often extreme expressions, as advantageous to their cause.

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So would it be okay to put these cartoons on a billboard over a major interstate?

What is wrong with a billboard advertising LSU as being on the cutting edge when it comes to teaching about and promoting belief in evolutionary “science”? After all, most universities wouldn’t think twice about such a promotional effort in support of mainstream “science”… the more prominent the better!

Why then would LSU be embarrassed to have this fact known by all?

Let’s just suppose someplace like Harvard started promoting the truth of Intelligent Design Theory or even Creationism in their science classrooms. Even if Harvard were to deny this, if there happened to be overwhelming evidence to the contrary, you don’t think this would hit every major newspaper in the world? – and even billboards? – perhaps even with a few cartoons I’m sure? ; )

Sean Pitman
http://www.DetectingDesign.com

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