Comments on: La Sierra’s misleading PR campaign http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/la-sierras-misleading-pr-campaign/ La Sierra University promotes evolution over creation Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:30:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ron Stone M.D. http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/la-sierras-misleading-pr-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-15130 Ron Stone M.D. Tue, 29 Jun 2010 19:01:32 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=1402#comment-15130 <blockquote cite="comment-11170"> If the 6-day Creation is not to be taken literally, how can the 7th-day Sabbath be taken seriously?   </blockquote> Exactly Dr. Kime. But, how has LSU gotten so far away from actually believing the Bible? What kind of "hands off" approach has been use, for seemingly years or even decades, without the Board or someone speaking out?

If the 6-day Creation is not to be taken literally, how can the 7th-day Sabbath be taken seriously?  

Exactly Dr. Kime. But, how has LSU gotten so far away from actually believing the Bible? What kind of “hands off” approach has been use, for seemingly years or even decades, without the Board or someone speaking out?

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]]> By: Educate Truth - Evolution vs Creation at La Sierra University http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/la-sierras-misleading-pr-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-15117 Educate Truth - Evolution vs Creation at La Sierra University Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:16:15 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=1402#comment-15117 [...] The reason this unifying theory has become so widely accepted in the scientific world is that it has stood up to intense, thorough, continual observation and criticism. The way to become rich & famous in science would be to show a fundamental error in the theory. The built-in skepticism of science prevents these ideas from becoming dogma.” (Read More) [...] [...] The reason this unifying theory has become so widely accepted in the scientific world is that it has stood up to intense, thorough, continual observation and criticism. The way to become rich & famous in science would be to show a fundamental error in the theory. The built-in skepticism of science prevents these ideas from becoming dogma.” (Read More) [...]

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]]> By: Robby http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/la-sierras-misleading-pr-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-11239 Robby Tue, 06 Apr 2010 06:38:10 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=1402#comment-11239 Wesley, That is the point, if the devil does away with God's way of creation, then the seal of God is gone as well, which leads to a whole lot of problems when it comes to the book of Revelation. Basically the entire three angels message is gone as well, well at least the third one for sure. So then the SDA church can not be the remnant church, basically it is the devils way of doing away with God and His church. Pretty blatant if you ask me. But it is a fulfillment of prophecy so if you don't "like" what I wrote, you are fulling prophecy as well, so praise God and i will be praying for you. There is no way that evolution could be true in any sense... if you are a Christian, the Bible states the wages of sin is death. There was no death before Adam sinned, therefor man could not have evolved from anything, because evolution requires death. No Christian can say they believe in the Bible and say that creation happened any other way then what God said. Wesley,
That is the point, if the devil does away with God’s way of creation, then the seal of God is gone as well, which leads to a whole lot of problems when it comes to the book of Revelation. Basically the entire three angels message is gone as well, well at least the third one for sure. So then the SDA church can not be the remnant church, basically it is the devils way of doing away with God and His church. Pretty blatant if you ask me. But it is a fulfillment of prophecy so if you don’t “like” what I wrote, you are fulling prophecy as well, so praise God and i will be praying for you. There is no way that evolution could be true in any sense… if you are a Christian, the Bible states the wages of sin is death. There was no death before Adam sinned, therefor man could not have evolved from anything, because evolution requires death. No Christian can say they believe in the Bible and say that creation happened any other way then what God said.

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]]> By: wesley kime http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/la-sierras-misleading-pr-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-11170 wesley kime Sun, 04 Apr 2010 15:59:55 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=1402#comment-11170 If the 6-day Creation is not to be taken literally, how can the 7th-day Sabbath be taken seriously? If the 6-day Creation is not to be taken literally, how can the 7th-day Sabbath be taken seriously?

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]]> By: BobRyan http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/la-sierras-misleading-pr-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-8038 BobRyan Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:09:29 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=1402#comment-8038 @<a href="#comment-7628" rel="nofollow">Phil Mills</a>: <blockquote> Was Elijah being unChristlike when he prayed for 3 1/2 years of drought causing widespread poverty, famine, and death? Was it Christlike for Paul to say to Elymas, “O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.” Acts 13:10, 11. It is true that we need to be Christlike. We need to be full of love. But we must be wise. I am a physician. Different diseases require different treatment. Some serious diseases require surgery with wide and extensive excision. Others require nothing more than a reassuring smile. The incompetent physician would give a reassuring smile to the melanoma. We must not be incompetent spiritual physicians. </blockquote> Christ said "Those whom I love - I chasten". It is Christlike to warn people of the real nature of their sin and the seriousness of what is called "disguised infidelity". How can that be ignored by so many these days? in Christ, Bob @Phil Mills:

Was Elijah being unChristlike when he prayed for 3 1/2 years of drought causing widespread poverty, famine, and death?

Was it Christlike for Paul to say to Elymas, “O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.” Acts 13:10, 11.

It is true that we need to be Christlike. We need to be full of love. But we must be wise. I am a physician. Different diseases require different treatment. Some serious diseases require surgery with wide and extensive excision. Others require nothing more than a reassuring smile. The incompetent physician would give a reassuring smile to the melanoma. We must not be incompetent spiritual physicians.

Christ said “Those whom I love – I chasten”.

It is Christlike to warn people of the real nature of their sin and the seriousness of what is called “disguised infidelity”. How can that be ignored by so many these days?

in Christ,

Bob

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]]> By: Michael E. Welch, MPH http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/la-sierras-misleading-pr-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-7926 Michael E. Welch, MPH Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:28:59 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=1402#comment-7926 I would just like to let it be known that I agree with Dr. Phil Mills, in that different "treatments" are needed for different problems. Of course we must realize that Christ "uttered His most scathing rebukes with tears in His eyes" and too often we, of unconverted human nature, are hormonally controlled in our rebukes and tend to take a certain satisfaction in the discomfort we bring to others in our holding them up to the magnifying glass of truth. God's LOVE consists of a PERFECT balance between Justice and Mercy - the balance point being the Laws of Life. In the Power of the Holy Spirit and the Righteousness of Christ, we will NOT be too harsh or too gentle in our handling of those who depart from the foundation of truth. There are situations where the "rod" must be applied in love (being sure that we are not taking satisfaction in the discomfort of others). The key to "mercy" is a spirit of repentence. Where there is no repentenct, then "mercy" will manifest as "justice". As Sr. White said about the Cross - that the Cross allowed God to save the fallen in JUSTICE and "punish" the unrepentant in MERCY. Let us ask God continually for the Gift of HIS LOVE, to allow us to maintain the proper BALANCE of Love in all our relationships and words and deeds, for Christ's sake and for the sake of the Father's Name. Michael Welch, Asst. Prof. Sahmyook Univ. Seoul, Korea I would just like to let it be known that I agree with Dr. Phil Mills, in that different “treatments” are needed for different problems. Of course we must realize that Christ “uttered His most scathing rebukes with tears in His eyes” and too often we, of unconverted human nature, are hormonally controlled in our rebukes and tend to take a certain satisfaction in the discomfort we bring to others in our holding them up to the magnifying glass of truth. God’s LOVE consists of a PERFECT balance between Justice and Mercy – the balance point being the Laws of Life. In the Power of the Holy Spirit and the Righteousness of Christ, we will NOT be too harsh or too gentle in our handling of those who depart from the foundation of truth. There are situations where the “rod” must be applied in love (being sure that we are not taking satisfaction in the discomfort of others). The key to “mercy” is a spirit of repentence. Where there is no repentenct, then “mercy” will manifest as “justice”. As Sr. White said about the Cross – that the Cross allowed God to save the fallen in JUSTICE and “punish” the unrepentant in MERCY. Let us ask God continually for the Gift of HIS LOVE, to allow us to maintain the proper BALANCE of Love in all our relationships and words and deeds, for Christ’s sake and for the sake of the Father’s Name.
Michael Welch,
Asst. Prof. Sahmyook Univ. Seoul, Korea

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]]> By: David http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/la-sierras-misleading-pr-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-7641 David Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:01:23 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=1402#comment-7641 I would have to say that in each of the the instances that Phil mentions, Jesus WAS being Christlike. When Jesus pronounced the "woes" on the pharisees, He did it out of love for them, not out of hate. He was not looking for pain and punishment; He was looking for a change of heart and willingness to accept His gift of salvation instead relying on their own works. When Paul told the Corinthians to kick a member out for immorality, it was not to punish but to save. Love was the spirit behind the harsh words. It is not just what we say but how we say it and the spirit in our hearts the indicates whether or not we are replicating the character of Christ. I too know of the different treatments that different disease require. I agree that only an incompetent physician would give a reassuring smile to a melanoma. An imcompetent physician might also prescribe radical surgery or an agressive course of chemotharapy for the treatment of a simple skin rash. Both instances can cause pain, suffering, and even death. Perhaps in the discussion of issues like creation/evolution, the Great Physician would want us to follow a foundational principle in the medical profession - "First, do no harm". This should apply to both the Seventh-day Adventist Church AND its members.

I would have to say that in each of the the instances that Phil mentions, Jesus WAS being Christlike. When Jesus pronounced the “woes” on the pharisees, He did it out of love for them, not out of hate. He was not looking for pain and punishment; He was looking for a change of heart and willingness to accept His gift of salvation instead relying on their own works.

When Paul told the Corinthians to kick a member out for immorality, it was not to punish but to save. Love was the spirit behind the harsh words.

It is not just what we say but how we say it and the spirit in our hearts the indicates whether or not we are replicating the character of Christ.

I too know of the different treatments that different disease require. I agree that only an incompetent physician would give a reassuring smile to a melanoma. An imcompetent physician might also prescribe radical surgery or an agressive course of chemotharapy for the treatment of a simple skin rash. Both instances can cause pain, suffering, and even death.

Perhaps in the discussion of issues like creation/evolution, the Great Physician would want us to follow a foundational principle in the medical profession – “First, do no harm”. This should apply to both the Seventh-day Adventist Church AND its members.

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]]> By: Phil Mills http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/la-sierras-misleading-pr-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-7628 Phil Mills Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:02:24 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=1402#comment-7628 <blockquote cite="comment-7616"> <strong><a href="#comment-7616" rel="nofollow">David</a></strong>: Perhaps when we treat those people we disagree with the way Christ did, then we will be able to prove that there really is a Creator.   </blockquote> I fear that many would reject Jesus for being "unchristlike." Was Christ being "Christlike" when He cleared out the temple of it's traffickers? Was it Christlike for Him to pronounce the woes on the Pharisees? Was John, His disciple being unloving when he said, "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds" 2 John 10, 11. Is it Christlike to " have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them"? Eph 5:11. Was Elijah being unChristlike when he prayed for 3 1/2 years of drought causing widespread poverty, famine, and death? Was it Christlike for Paul to say to Elymas, "O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand." Acts 13:10, 11. It is true that we need to be Christlike. We need to be full of love. But we must be wise. I am a physician. Different diseases require different treatment. Some serious diseases require surgery with wide and extensive excision. Others require nothing more than a reassuring smile. The incompetent physician would give a reassuring smile to the melanoma. We must not be incompetent spiritual physicians.

David: Perhaps when we treat those people we disagree with the way Christ did, then we will be able to prove that there really is a Creator.  

I fear that many would reject Jesus for being “unchristlike.” Was Christ being “Christlike” when He cleared out the temple of it’s traffickers? Was it Christlike for Him to pronounce the woes on the Pharisees?

Was John, His disciple being unloving when he said, “If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds” 2 John 10, 11.

Is it Christlike to ” have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them”? Eph 5:11.

Was Elijah being unChristlike when he prayed for 3 1/2 years of drought causing widespread poverty, famine, and death?

Was it Christlike for Paul to say to Elymas, “O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.” Acts 13:10, 11.

It is true that we need to be Christlike. We need to be full of love. But we must be wise. I am a physician. Different diseases require different treatment. Some serious diseases require surgery with wide and extensive excision. Others require nothing more than a reassuring smile. The incompetent physician would give a reassuring smile to the melanoma. We must not be incompetent spiritual physicians.

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]]> By: BobRyan http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/la-sierras-misleading-pr-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-7627 BobRyan Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:57:45 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=1402#comment-7627 @<a href="#comment-7616" rel="nofollow">David</a>: <blockquote> David: “Speaking for myself, I observe the Sabbath because the God of the universe asked me to; because I show Him my love by spending time in communion with Him; because the more I spend time with Him the closer and stronger my relationship is to Him; because I love Him.”</blockquote> Hmm - so you mean you simply "accept" what God says in the Bible regarding God's own 7th-day Sabbath memorial of his own 7 day creation week?? <blockquote> God: “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <b>For in six days the LORD made</b> heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.” Exodus 20:8-11</blockquote> Me too! "Just accept it" is a good way to go. in Christ, Bob

@David:

David: “Speaking for myself, I observe the Sabbath because the God of the universe asked me to; because I show Him my love by spending time in communion with Him; because the more I spend time with Him the closer and stronger my relationship is to Him; because I love Him.”

Hmm – so you mean you simply “accept” what God says in the Bible regarding God’s own 7th-day Sabbath memorial of his own 7 day creation week??

God: “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”
Exodus 20:8-11

Me too!

“Just accept it” is a good way to go.

in Christ,

Bob

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]]> By: BobRyan http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/la-sierras-misleading-pr-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-7626 BobRyan Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:54:19 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=1402#comment-7626 @<a href="#comment-7616" rel="nofollow">David</a>: <blockquote> After reading articles, commentary, and postings regarding the issues related to La Sierra, Creation, Evolution, etc. I would suggest that we all (myself included) remember that Christ asked us “to love one another” because “by this all shall know that you are my disciples”. We do not get to pick who our “one anothers” are. They include not just those we agree with or find acceptable but also those whom we disagree with; those who we find unacceptable; those who make our blood boil. How we interact with those who we consider our enemies, even though they be children of God who Christ died for, is the most important issue. Perhaps when we treat those people we disagree with the way Christ did, then we will be able to prove that there really is a Creator. After all, He is still at working creating His character in us. </blockquote> When you read terms like "disguised infidelity" in 3SG 90-91 as it addressed the topic of evolution - do you view that as being in perfect harmony with the "Love one another" principle you have mentioned above - or is that an example of violating that principle? in Christ, Bob

@David:

After reading articles, commentary, and postings regarding the issues related to La Sierra, Creation, Evolution, etc. I would suggest that we all (myself included) remember that Christ asked us “to love one another” because “by this all shall know that you are my disciples”. We do not get to pick who our “one anothers” are. They include not just those we agree with or find acceptable but also those whom we disagree with; those who we find unacceptable; those who make our blood boil. How we interact with those who we consider our enemies, even though they be children of God who Christ died for, is the most important issue. Perhaps when we treat those people we disagree with the way Christ did, then we will be able to prove that there really is a Creator. After all, He is still at working creating His character in us.

When you read terms like “disguised infidelity” in 3SG 90-91 as it addressed the topic of evolution – do you view that as being in perfect harmony with the “Love one another” principle you have mentioned above – or is that an example of violating that principle?

in Christ,

Bob

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