Bob – I have thought quite a lot about this. …

Comment on La Sierra University Resignation Saga: Stranger-than-Fiction by Charles.

Bob –

I have thought quite a lot about this. I don’t think we can know just how organized “the church” will be at the very end. Jesus compared “the end” to the days of Noah. They all entered the ark in an orderly fashion. But we also know that many will be hiding for their lives – on the basis of a death decree. But then, again, the unsaved will be having their own struggles and God will have His protecting hand over his redeemed.

I understand the true church to be God’s people: Those who “keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus.” I think at the very end, it will be difficult to meet at the big university church on Sabbath if it is against the law of the land. People will probably be meeting in small groups. We cannot know how this all actually plays out, but those who have studied, will recognize it as it happens.

ASI is an SDA associated organization and does a wonderful work in helping associated SDA organizations to network and coordinate efforts. I think it is just an example of the way we will be going forward.

But we do see signs that the organized church is addressing the important issues related to purity of Adventist belief and doctrine. (example: LSU issues) And I think we see God’s hand at work as well.

The important thing is that in the end, we do not “go through” as a group. Ultimately we are accountable to God individually. The second coming was described by Jesus as a “harvest” where the wheat is separated from the tares.

THere is a relationship for each of us to cultivate with God through the Holy Spirit (oil in our lamps). Those who do not do this individual work will be lost, sadly lost…

When Jesus comes (and I believe this to be in the very near future) there will be a great many who were in the SDA church and heard the messages over and over again, who will not be “caught up…” Sadly it will these who will be “wailing and gnashing…” the greatest – for what they have spurned.

That is the way I understand…

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La Sierra University Resignation Saga: Stranger-than-Fiction

Thank-you, Faith.

This battle is the Lord’s. My faith is strengthened as I view the things happening that I have been taught from my “church school” (SDA) upbringing. We are living the fulfillment of prophecy. Those who have studied it can clearly see it. I treasure what I learned as a child. And I’ll happily share it with those who will listen.

La Sierra University Resignation Saga: Stranger-than-Fiction
@Holly Pham:


I think you misunderstand my point. The “futiity” I speak of is in changing anyone’s mind on this board. This board is highly polarized and I have not seen anyone change their mind. In fact, most are making increasingly stronger stands for what they advocate (on both sides of the issues). And maybe that is a good thing.

As I see the historic treasures of our faith under fire, it makes me place a higher value on them. By “treasures”, I mean the positions of truth that we base our faith upon: The Sabbath, a literal creation and creation week, the soon coming of Jesus (and more). So I suppose I am “polarized” as well. Jesus’ message through his prophet John (Revelation) says of His church in our day:

Rev 3 –
14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Sounds like our Creator does want us “polarized” -either hot or cold. Now is the time of final decisions. Jesus is coming soon.

So, we do need to be witnessing and sharing our faith. But I am not sure how effective is a constant presence on this media. ANd that was my point.

La Sierra University Resignation Saga: Stranger-than-Fiction
@Holly Pham:

I would agree that we need to state the truth. Seems I am clearly on that side.

I think there comes a point of futility as well.

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