Comment on Jay Gallimore comments on evolution conflict by Ricky Kim.
Dear Mr. Pitman,
I never said that the Exodus was an impossible task or event; I just said that having such an event in that massive of a scale unfolding seems improbable. Imagine with me for a moment if you would, that thousands of your fellow citizens decided to leave your city. Don’t you think that this would have been a noteworthy event? If not for you at least for those around you? I mean this would not only affect the populace as far as population size is concerned but more importantly it will have a direct and negative impact upon the economy. Thus with this said, the testimony of tent dwelling people would be irrelevant (although helpful) for those effected by this would have at least had something to say. Though you are right in saying that the absence of evidence is not evidence for its absence.
Also, there are further speculations as to the validity towards the parting of the “Red Sea” versus the parting of the “Reed Sea”, in which case the parting of the waters is a natural phenomenon and the only miraculous thing about the event would have been the timing of the crossing.
Your statement regarding Nebuchadnezzar also runs into trouble for there were more than one Nebuchadnezzar present within the lineage of kings in Babylon. Unless you were referring to a specific one for your example.
The statement you made regarding the Bible as the most reliable textbook in history also troubles me in many levels but specifically in the context of theodicy. Many secular scientist would say that the earth is at least 4 billion years old, with creationist attesting to the earth age as being within 12-10,000 years. For the sake of this argument 10,000 years would be fine. We say that Christ intervention came 2000 years ago. Which means that for 8,000 years people have suffered and died with heaven watching down. They did not decide to call for an intervention until 2000 years ago-into one of the most illiterate parts of the world during that time-The middle east. Where literacy rate was about 1% of the total population. It wasn’t say somewhere like China where writing was invented.
As far as the genome project is concerned alongside the impact of the ice age-I believe we must agree to disagree. It is evident from my study of the human genome that the notion the “out of Africa” theory seems more convincing to me than what your article suggests. But it would be wrong for me to forcefully lionize this concept for it is one man’s opinion and science itself is continually unraveling new truths-thus like all students we must remain humble and continually seeking.
I appreciate your thoughts
Ricky Kim Also Commented
Jay Gallimore comments on evolution conflict
This certainly has been an interesting dialogue,
and I must thank each of you for allowing me to play the devil’s advocate.
And leaving notes upon my various comments. Very enjoyable indeed. However, a quick injection I wish to make.
Enuma Elish or the babylonian creation myth seems to share similarities with the Genesis account. Considering that its creation myth is older. I wanted to ask what are we to make of this? Did God inspire the Babylonians with some truths? And if so, can we consider that all religions lead to one God? And if not, how seriously are we to take the narrative of Genesis. Which also has 2 perspectives of creation. Verse 1 & 2?
Jay Gallimore comments on evolution conflict
“We can easily agree with Ricky that once you toss the Bible out the window – belief in evolutionism (no matter how irrational and unscientific it is) is just about all that is left.”
I don’t know how you can dismiss evolution as being irrational and unscientific-I mean religion teaches that a talking snake existed, alongside a burning bush, and men rising from the dead.
To say the Jesus rose from the dead, or preformed the various miracles that is told has happened based on scripture suggest that the natural order of things, of how the earth operates and still continues to operate till this very day has been suspended and has leaned on your favor. Tell me, what is more likely? that the natural order of things has indeed been suspended, or everything that is “miraculous” is not very miraculous at all?
But this again, will fall into conflict do to how we see the Bible.
I don’t understand your usage of the terms “liberal” and “fundamentalist”.
Believe me, if you followed everything the Bible says-you would be out stoning the homosexuals, killing the witches, etc…
Everyone pick and chooses passages from the Bible.
You can’t be 100% objective about it, because the moment you read it you already are interperting it in your own unique way.