Comment on Jay Gallimore comments on evolution conflict by Lysle Williams Jr..
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Is not the Bible the story of an all powerful, all knowing King, who gave up all to come and rescue “the poor, widow, orphan and the resident alien” from the clutches of the adversary, who has made humans poor, widows, orphans and aliens? You appear to blame God for not solving these problems by using his knowledge and power. But if He gave them up to come and live among us and show us the true nature of the adversary and of Himself, how can He use what He gave up?
I hope you live up to your convictions for you will meet up with a God forsaken God, who appears to be powerless and of little knowledge in dealing with the adversary. Live your convictions and you will come to know the God who wishes to call you brother in your fight against the adversary. Live your convictions and others will see God in you.
Isaiah 45:7 “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.” KJV
When did God create evil and why would He do so? Is not evil necessary for you to have free choice, if the choice always involves being for or against God’s will? Are not free choice and evil inseperable concepts, you can’t have one without the other?
Can you have free choice with God retaining His omniscience? Calvin thought not, rejected free choice and arrived at the concept of predestination. I contend and would like you to consider that God gave up His omnisceinece for His created beings moral decisions to foster love as the controlling principle in His universe.
If you read the Bible literally, there are many examples of this being true. Here are just two:
Genesis 3:10-11 “And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. And He said, Who told thee that thou was naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?” KJV If you read these verses literally did God know before he came to walk with Adam in the garden that Adam had sinned or was he tipped off to it by Adam’s statement of nakedness?
Genesis 6:5-7 “And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved Him at his heart. And the Lord said, I will destroy man who I have created from the face of the earth;” KJV Read it literally and decide did God know before he created the earth that he would have to resort to a flood and destroy mankind? How can you repent and be grieved by something that you have known about for years?
Many have said that freedom is not free. It invariably has to be bought with someone’s blood and treasure. Free choice is not free. God had to give up His omniscience, sacrifice His Son and endure the frustrations and humiliation of His created beings making the wrong choices and suffering the consequences. Become a Berean and study free choice, you will come to know God better and appreciate Him more.
Jay Gallimore comments on evolution conflict
Ricky quoted: “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
If I am twice as big and three times as strong as my wife, would it be love if I used my superior strength and size to control her every move? If I refused to use my strength to control her every move, would this prove me to be weak? If she chose to leave me for another, and I let her go would my superior strength be in question. Would you say I was malevolent for refusing to use my superior strength to confine her if I knew her new suitor to be evil?
Ricky, you miss the majesty of free will. God has the power to require you to worship Him, but this would not be love. God allows you to choose evil(self, not God)and walk away from Him. You appear to be trying to blame God for your choice for evil, when you say that God is malevolent for allowing you to choose. Love (“the greatest of these”) is more important to God than demonstrating his omnipotence, that is why Jesus died at the hands of lilliputian men to provide you a bridge back to a loving God and gain your release from Satan’s prison of sin(evil).