Geanna Dane says: “Sean, it’s simple. I think the church …

Comment on Dr. Geraty clarifies his “Challenge” to literal 6-day creationism by Richard Sherwin.

Geanna Dane says: “Sean, it’s simple. I think the church administrators need to deal with this. You should pray for them, encourage them, supply details to them, but respectfully- and I mean respectfully- let them do the work that the constituents have asked them to do and God has ordained them to do”

Geanna, how can we the constituents ask our church leaders to do something if we don’t know what is going on. I was only vaguely aware of what was happening at LSU before someone directed me to this site. As a member of the Michigan Conference I’ve asked my leaders to uphold the Bible and the beliefs of the church. I’m proud of the Biblical stand my conference took. They have done as you said they should, the work we asked of them.

I’ve always thought that evolution was taking place in my yard. A number of years ago I started to mow a neglected section that had a lot of dandelions. The tallest ones lost their heads to the blade of the mower and could never go to seed. The fittest ones (the short ones) survived. I still have lots of dandelions, but they have evolved so only the short ones carry on the genes. lol

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Les I wish it read as you want it too and they way I used to think it did. Here is what it says: “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect”.

It is not saying it’s impossible to deceive the elect, it’s saying the it’s possible that they will deceive them. If I make the statement that “I’m going to go mow the lawn if possible” I’m not saying it’s impossible, I’m saying that I will do it if it’s possible.. (And yes I should be mowing my lawn instead of doing this). The elect will be deceived if possible, and yes it’s possible so in all likelihood some will be.

Dr. Geraty clarifies his “Challenge” to literal 6-day creationism
George I don’t think you can get more “core essential” than the belief which is the basis for all other beliefs. Toss out a literal Creation and you toss out the fall, therefore the need for a Savior, seems pretty essential to me.

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It’s just amazing to me that evolution is even being debated within the SDA church. Creation is the most basic of our beliefs, even more so that the Sabbath because on Creation does the Sabbath find it’s foundation. (The Sabbath being just one example of all the beliefs that rely on the Creation). Our church may be in much worse shape than any of us can imagine if we have sunk so low as to be debating this.

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Jon, a most excellent post. However I must take issue with you when you wrote: “LSU continues to isolate itself from its church and the Christian community.” IMO LSU is following the Christian community as the community moves further away from it’s Biblical roots. Evolution discredits Christ and especially the 4th Commandment and it is thus one of the most crowning achievements of Satan as he tries to negate the importance of the Sabbath.

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Anonymous, God’s love is found in Creation, the fall and His death and resurrection. Take away any one element of that equation and you end up with nothing.

It is not one persons word this issue is based on, it’s based on many peoples words, including the president of LSU. The concern is that the professors who are openly promoting evolution at the expense of Creation are undermining the fundamentals of Christianity. All the beliefs of Christianity are rooted in Creation. It is the love of God and for His church that some of us are concerned about what is happening, not just at LSU but at other schools as well as secular humanitarianism is replacing the clear word of God.

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Ken I’m not sure what you are asking. Danial 8:14 says nothing about the evening and the morning. The Bible is very clear throughout about Creation. It’s not mans interpretation, there is nothing ambiguous about what the Bible says, there is no room for interpretation like there might be on other issues (like for instance weather or not the SDA church is the remnant). There is nothing in the Bible that someone can point to and say God related the Creation account as a metaphor or simply as a myth. And it’s on the Genesis account of origins and the subsequent fall that gives us the need for a savior. Genesis is the base for the other 65 books of the Bible, if we disregard it as a myth then the rest of the Bible is also reduced to a myth, including the new testament and it’s account of Christ.

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Dennis all through the Bible creation is told to us as a literal event, even Christ spoke of it as a literal event. So it’s not the church you are accusing of being deceptive, it’s God Himself. It was He who told Moses to write, “for in six days God created…..”. It was not the SDA church who is responsible for that Biblical statement. It’s tiresome to me when I hear people claim the church is deceptive on this issue when what they are really saying is that God has told a lie.

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Geanna, I’m sorry if you took my post to be hostile. I was not meant to be. But it’s true that if I tell someone to have an open mind in a discussion I’m using that as a tool to get them to see something my way. Everyone does it.

And I am the first to state that I believe wholeheartedly in micro-evolution. It apparently happens very fast, in fact I have seen it happen within a couple years in my yard. However micro-evolution is not an explanation for the origins of life, nor does it explain how a lizard can become a robin. I see no problem with a house cat evolving into a lion. However if you were to tell me a house cat involved into a dog I would see a problem, and so would my dog.

I see nothing even remotely un-Biblical concerning micro evolution and it’s the only logical explanation for the flood account.

However the evolution that is of concern on this web site and has become an issue in the church is not micro-evolution, it’s macro-evolution. Where one specie (not a biology person so don’t jump on me for wrong usage), like a fish, can become a dog over hundreds of millions of years. This is not a Biblical answer to our origins. On these and other boards considering this when someone speaks of evolution we are meaning it to be the theory of origins, macro-evolution, unless it’s stated otherwise.