@Shane: You write: “Science wouldn’t even exist if evolution were true”. …

Comment on Dr. Geraty clarifies his “Challenge” to literal 6-day creationism by Steve Billiter.


You write: “Science wouldn’t even exist if evolution were true”. Why do you believe this? (Brad)

I think he means that false science would rule the day which is no science.

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Dr. Geraty clarifies his “Challenge” to literal 6-day creationism

So then… that is when you fell out of your chair and rolled on the floor laughing??

So “Dr Geraty you believe in a literal 7 day creation week in direct opposition to what you believe the Bible says?? How did you come to this position that you now claim is not even in harmony with scripture?

I don’t know Bob, maybe he looked into a sheep’s liver or something! Gee, do you mean to tell me that Adventists could possibly even tell a “fib” or straddle the fence just to keep their jobs?

If these academic administrators don’t really uphold the 28, can’t they just get higher paying jobs in a secular college? I don’t know why this is but I see heretics everywhere that still want to be called Adventists, and be members, yet they deny Ellen White usually and or they are ant-trinitarians. Honesty demands that they find another church more compatible with their beliefs.

Dr. Geraty clarifies his “Challenge” to literal 6-day creationism
Correction: Genesis 1:13, (72 hours or 3 days) not 73.

Dr. Geraty clarifies his “Challenge” to literal 6-day creationism

@Steve Billiter:Remember what he said about FB #6? Let me quote it again below:
He had a hand in the wording of FB #6, and it was his intention along with Fritz Guy to change the wording of the belief so that it was inclusive of other interpretations. How does that not undermine the church’s belief? How can you say FB #6 is so important and then be part of an effort that undermines it by legitimizing false doctrines? It would be like preaching the biblical support for Sabbath, but making the wording of the FB vague enough to allow Sunday holiness. You quoted him as saying, “I am glad to give those interpreters who wish to interpret it differently the freedom to do so. In other words, I support the evangelistic outreach of the church that is inclusive, rather than exclusive.”Notice what he actually says about Genesis 1:
He presumes Genesis 1 is referring to an ordinary week, not I believe that what Genesis says is true. There are many Christian leaders and theologians that admit Genesis 1 is intending to communicate a literal week. They just don’t believe that it really happened. Now since Geraty was so vague with you, it’s difficult to say what he believes.Geraty says:
Of course he’s challenging it. He evidently doesn’t believe it’s the truth, otherwise he wouldn’t allow for false theories. You can’t say you’re not challenging something when you’re giving equal credence to views that undermine what you say you’re not challenging. Perhaps that was not his intention, but it’s what he is doing.
Geraty is claiming he didn’t know about the beliefs of the biology professors that were hired during his years there. I suppose if he was totally ignorant of their beliefs, then he could make such a claim. What about Larry McCloskey who came to La Sierra in 1996 as the department chair? This is what McCloskey had in his syllabus for BIOL 112:
Is Geraty claiming he didn’t know about this? Geraty retired in 2006 and was president at LSU for 14 years.
Steve, I think you’ve been snowed.  

Shane, please don’t think that I didn’t consider that possibility.I could see Dr. Geraty was mainly interested in saying he didn’t have a hand in the evolution teaching professors. I also know when someone entertains unbelief there will always be problems somewhere. I’m just saying to prove that he allowed or set up these heretical professors. In addition, I’m unaware just how much control or authority the president really has over the hiring. If he had any inkling that evolution would be taught, then as he stated, he should have done everything possible to adhere to the tenets of the church.

And yes, he could be doing damage control now as best he can. And also note that I do not support his position, and here is what I wrote him in answer to his statement that that the literal creation week cannot be supported by the Bible:

“Anyway, I do see evidence for a literal one week creation. BTW, are you using the KJV, AKJV, KJV2000, or the RV? I’ve done extensive studies on Bible versions and manuscripts, and there are many problems. Remember Dr. Ford and his IJ apostasy? He still promotes the liberal Bible versions that support more or less his position.”

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.(KJV) (Clearly a 24 hour day here)

Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
(same thing, that’s 48 hours total)

Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
(that 73 hours, 3 days)

Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
(that 96 hours, 4 days)

Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
(120 hours, or 5 days)

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. (that’s now 144 hours, or 6 days)

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. (Now it’s a total of 168 hours and 7 days)

So we now have the week, a literal 7 day week consisting of 7 24 hour days that is totally God’s creation and not dependant on movements of the sun, rotation, or any of that. I fail to see where it could possibly be any longer time periods, where it would destroy the week and the Sabbath. Ellen White agrees.

Inferences erroneously drawn from facts observed in nature have, however, led to supposed conflict between science and revelation; and in the effort to restore harmony, interpretations of Scripture have been adopted that undermine and destroy the force of the word of God. Geology has been thought to contradict the literal interpretation of the Mosaic record of the creation. Millions of years, it is claimed, were required for the evolution of the earth from chaos; and in order to accommodate the Bible to this supposed revelation of science, the days of creation are assumed to have been vast, indefinite periods, covering thousands or even millions of years. {Ed 128.2}

Such a conclusion is wholly uncalled for. The Bible record is in harmony with itself and with the teaching of nature. Of the first day employed in the work of creation is given the record, “The evening and the morning were the first day.” Genesis 1:5. And the same in substance is said of each of the first six days of creation week. Each of these periods Inspiration declares to have been a day consisting of evening and morning, like every other day since that time. In regard to the work of creation itself the divine testimony is, “He spake, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast.” Psalm 33:9. With Him who could thus call into existence unnumbered worlds, how long a time would be required for the evolution of the earth from chaos? In order to account for His works, must we do violence to His word? {Ed 129.1}

It is true that remains found in the earth testify to the existence of men, animals, and plants much larger than any now known. These are regarded as proving the existence of vegetable and animal life prior to the time of the Mosaic record. But concerning these things Bible history furnishes ample explanation. Before the Flood the development of vegetable and animal life was immeasurably superior to that which has since been known. At the Flood the surface of the earth was broken up, marked changes took place, and in the re-formation of the earth’s crust were preserved many evidences of the life previously existing. The vast forests buried in the earth at the time of the Flood, and since changed to coal, form the extensive coal fields, and yield the supplies of oil that minister to our comfort and convenience today. These things, as they are brought to light, are so many witnesses mutely testifying to the truth of the word of God. {Ed 129.2}

In addition, I note this quote especially:

The many contradictory opinions in regard to what the Bible teaches do not arise from any obscurity in the book itself, but from blindness and prejudice on the part of interpreters. Men ignore the plain statements of the Bible to follow their own perverted reason. Priding themselves on their intellectual attainments, they overlook the simplicity of truth; they forsake the fountain of living waters to drink of the poisonous stream of error.–Review and Herald, Jan. 27, 1885. {CSW 23.2}

So this is my answer to those who reject the plain statements of the Bible. And also please note that I also said that he did not respond at all to my evidence.

Recent Comments by Steve Billiter

Biblical Interpretation and Credibility

Professor Kent: You have listed five supernatural events (virgin birth, resurrection of dead, future life in heaven, Noachian flood, and recent fiat creation of life) that cannot be validated empirically.

@Professor Kent,

There is scientific evidence for the flood, although not for Christs’ Resurrection, or His resurrection of Lazarus, etc. The remains of fossilized fish have been found buried at the tops of the highest mountains on earth–which by far precludes fairly recent climbing expeditions eating the fish, and burying the remains which would leave no time for fossilization. Please see Dr. Vieth’s Lecture # 102, http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/c/9/Science/ And I quote from the site:

“Science today denies a universal flood, as it would destroy the continuity of the fossil record in the geological column. In this video, evidence for precisely such a universal phenomenon is presented with fascinating video material from modern day catastrophes on a smaller scale.”

Moreover, we need not make Bible study so convoluted by presenting this or that theory which has no bearing on truth, or that just muddies the waters on how we are to understand the Bible. God has granted to each person a measure of faith, and we know that without faith it is impossible to please Him. How do we increase our faith? It is not wholly by considering the scientific evidence or the lack thereof:

Rom 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

So it is by diligent Bible study that our faith increases. We come to God humbly asking Him for understanding–after all, He gave the Word. It is that longing after righteousness and the doing of His will that reveals truth to us:

John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

By and large, a secular/scientific education even at some Adventist colleges tends to undermine true faith in the Bible. I know from my own experience as a junior now at the University of Nevada, Reno–that if my own Bible knowledge and faith had not been so strong, then academia would have naturally destroyed what little faith I might have had under different circumstances. Many times I have questioned my present course as to its wisdom (Social Work) but its far to late to turn back. Every semester I deal with un-Biblical teachings in my classes. I’ve seen how Satan has moved on faculty and admn. who know not Jesus to attack me in different ways assaulting my character.

That aside, how can we presume to teach anyone how to understand the Bible without presenting a single Bible/EGW text as support in a comprehensive manner? Is this a denial of the Master? I believe so.

Mat_10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

We don’t need to guess–we don’t need to present speculations and theories, Christ tells us in John 7:17 (and elsewhere) precisely how we are to understand His Word.

God gives light to guide those who honestly desire light and truth; but it is not His purpose to remove all cause for questioning and doubt. He gives sufficient evidence to found faith upon, and then requires men to accept that evidence and exercise faith. {5T 303.1}

He who will study the Bible with a humble and teachable spirit will find it a sure guide, pointing out the way of life with unfailing accuracy. But what does your study of the Bible avail, brethren and sisters, unless you practice the truths it teaches? That holy book contains nothing that is nonessential; nothing is revealed that has not a bearing upon our actual lives. The deeper our love for Jesus, the more highly we shall regard that word as the voice of God directly to us. {5T 303.2}

The Heroic Crusade Redux
As a fledging writer myself still at the University of Nevada Reno, I highly object to the style of writing that Dr. Kime exhibits. While we note he is obviously highly educated and very intelligent to boot, this article reeks of me, me, me, look what I can do, see how clever I can write and spin these matters with my crafty words. I simply prefer a straightforward, no-nonsense style that presents my thesis or argument logically and systematically, while attempting to abide by the rules of good expository writing. Furthermore, his information is not correct concerning the scientific community. [edit]

Many other scientists such as Dr. Walter Vieth (http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/c/9/Science/) lectures on the flaws found in evolution, and on the scientific evidence for creation. The carbon-14 dating system has long been known by many scientists to be flawed—it is based on assumptions. Indeed, considering the scientific evidence, and the Bible evidence, for which a serious study of prophecy proves the Bible true—creationists have the luxury of solid, irrefutable evidence proving creation, while evolutionists must exist on blind faith, assumptions, and lies.

The crux of the matter is this: evolutionists have virtual control of America’s public school system aside from Christian Bible–based schools, and because they have rejected the claims of the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit, found in Holy Writ–to simply come to Jesus and have eternal life—they have therefore rejected the entire Bible including the Genesis account. Because they have rejected the truth that will save them, God has given them over to the delusions they love (2Thess. 2:9-11). Through it all, evolutionary scientists have attempted the impossible, which is to apply the human measuring system to understand God’s creation—an impossibility. Sadly, the evolutionary scientific community will continue to suffer the results of misconceptions, false science, assumptions, blind faith, and quite simply, the most abject lies.

Job 11:7 Can you by searching find out God? Can you find out the Almighty to perfection?
Job 11:8 It is as high as heaven; what can you do? deeper than hell; what can you know?
Job 11:9 The measure thereof is longer than the earth, and broader than the sea.

LSU, Pacific Union Conference and North American Division Sued
Are not all professors, faculty and admn. staff SDA church members? I suppose anyone who teaches any form of evolution has no qualms concerning violating some other “selected” Bible concepts that they don’t accept. Once again, the church takes it on the chin;

1Co 6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
1Co 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
1Co 6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
1Co 6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
1Co 6:6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
1Co 6:7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
1Co 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

My Goal for La Sierra University
“Bradley says he won’t undercut decades of peer reviewed scientific research in the interest of religious consistency.”

“I am not OK with getting up in a science course and saying most science is [b_s_],” he said.

Good article Sean. What I’m hearing from Dr. Bradley is that if given the chance, he will continue to teach the peer-reviewed “false science” as if it were true; and I’m sure he thinks it is true.

No one with Bradley’s beliefs should ever darken the door of a fully tenured (or otherwise) professorial study, much less receive a paycheck from the 7th Day Adventist Church for essentially teaching errors in origins.

Although it is true that Christ died for all of the worlds inhabitants, each person must decide whether he/she will have the Lord reign over the life or not. It was Christ Himself that laid down the foundations of the worlds, creating the earth and all that is in it in 6 literal days, and He rested the 7th. Nothing could be plainer than Genesis 1 and 2.

My suggestion for prof Bradley is to find himself a secular university to teach at–mine will do fine. However, I avoid all such classes and all my science is finished! Evolutionists are well aware of my position when I’ve been in their class.

LA SIERRA: Four resign after recording emerges

Ron Stone M.D.:
@Steve Billiter, Campolo (along with his wife) is also one of the most vocal “gay marriage” and “gay is A-OK” proponents in America.

Ron, I guess that Tony just names his poison that he likes. What does he say about gay’s who do contemplative prayer? Is he trapped?