Ron, please be careful with accusations such as this.It doesn’t help our cause.Ricardo Graham doesn’t “blame Mrs. White”–he is simply crediting her as a major influence in the organizational structure of our church, and that is one reason why it is taking so long to deal with the matter.

Ellen White has nothing to do with the Board’s delaying tactics and their total incompetence in handling the situation at LSU. To even mention her name is ridiculous. The “church structure” also has nothing to do with why the Board has done nothing and is currently doing nothing. Please read the LSU website regarding the powers of the Board.

They are doing nothing because they are a major part of the problem, as they have allowed LSU to become a rogue institution. Look at the last 3 Presidents–Guy, Geraty, and Wisbey–all three liberals who cherish humanistic philosophies, such as evolution, over God’s Truth.

BTW, I spoke to Graham personally (at the Market Street Church in Oakland) but he completely “blew me off” when I simply asked him “to do the right thing.”

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It is a myth and poor policy that our schools should be academic neutral zones where students will hear all sides and make up their own minds from a neutral context

True – but what if “the MISSION” in all Adventist universities world wide was in fact no higher than “be the BEST neutral public university that Adventist tithe, tuition and gift dollars can buy”?

Have you considered how wonderful it would be to divert Gospel outreach and soul-winning evangelism funds and resources to a “best netural public university” mission?

Suppose for example that the real reason for the existence of Adventist universities was

1 – to find a place where Adventists can marry each other

and

2 – to correct the lousy state of science ( biology, chemistry, calculus, physics etc) teaching going on in other public universities – and show the right way that a public university should be run!

and

3. To provide a money-well for excess Adventist funds – so that all that extra money that clutters Adventist homes and businesses can be swept out clean.

and

4. To so severly challenge SDA young people to dump their bibles and embrace evolutionism “instead” – that if they should “survive” our science education and still choose the Bible over the doctrines on origins found in evolutionism — well then they would be “battle hardened” and ready for anything the real world might throw at them – because they have already survived “the worst”. (the “worst” being disguised infidelity were actual Adventist leaders, instructors, professors actively and sincerely promote total compromise with the doctrines on origins found in evolutionism.)

Surely such an imaginary world would finally provide support for what LSU is trying to do in their biology and religion departments.

But if we contrast that to the “real world” — then LSU “has a problem”.

in Christ,

Bob

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I am confused on the “spin tactic” claim. If LSU is educating their students about evolution so they can be familiar with the material, why is it to imperative for all the faculty to have a belief in a literal six day creation? In science, are we not to have an impartial look at the facts? Isn’t it the faculty’s job to present the information impartially while abiding by school policy? No one is forcing the students to believe in evolution and no one has called it fact or truth. So I am confused, what is the conflict here?

Robert – you are missing some “details”.

1. All of our colleges and universities teach “About” evolutionism. Not all of them are ‘in the tank’ for evolutionism as we see at LSU however.

2. LSU’s biology Professor Bradley did make a statement to the press stating that he did not consider the Bible view on origins to be anything other than trash – and that evolutionisms doctrine on origins is in fact the correct belief that he presents in his classroom.

3. Evolutionism is non-science, worse it is junk-science and poor religion as even atheist evolutionists like Collin Patterson of the British Museum of Natural history admits to the distinctively religious nature regarding the argument for evolutionism based on stories from the fossil record about how one thing came from another “stories easy enough to make up” (in Patterson’s words) “but they are NOT science since there is no way of putting them to the test”.

The widespread myth and fiction that “belief in evolutionism” is inexpelicably ok to refer to as “science”, is a testament to the effectiveness of evolutionist propaganda.

Dawkins’ totally flummoxed response of “dead silence” in a video taped interview when he was asked for even ONE example of new coding gene information being added to a genome in real life – shows the extent to which “the emperor has no clothes”. He ended that long period of silence — staring at the ceiling and finally coming up with the brilliant science response to that evolutionism 101 softball lob – saying “stop the tape”.

in Christ,

Bob

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“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
“For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
“because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were they thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools …” Rom. 1:18-22
How does LSU reconcile the above with what is being taught in their classrooms, and, how anxious are they to stand before God someday and debate Him regarding the faithfulness of His Word? Because that day will surely come

You said this so well. And now they have the ravening wolves in charge of caring for the henhouse. Did you all see the plan for LSU to gather up all the educators to make plans for the future? Its like scar tissue that sometimes forms after surgery, snakes around many organs of the body and messes them up. Freeing oneself from this problem can cause a lot of pain but if not, organ function can be limited and the body frozen and mishapen (i’m not a medical person but know this from personal experience WE must not let this problem continue at LSU or any of our other schools at any level. As Sister White said 100+ years ago, “Meet it!” She did not say to also teach Kellogg’s theory in the name of academic freedom, and neither should we. It is time for our conferences to follow Michigan’s lead. I personallly know students whose walk with the Lord and support for the church has been attacked and in some badly damaged by their college professors (not all at LSU). What happened to the watchmen on the walls?

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Philosophical speculation and scientific research in which God is not acknowledged are making skeptics of thousands. In the schools of today the conclusions that learned men have reached as a result of their scientific investigations are carefully taught and fully explained; while the impression is distinctly given that if these learned men are correct, the Bible cannot be. Skepticism is attractive to the human mind. The youth see in it an independence that captivates the imagination, and they are deceived. Satan triumphs. He nourishes every seed of doubt that is sown in young hearts. He causes it to grow and bear fruit, and soon a plentiful harvest of infidelity is reaped.

It is because the human heart is inclined to evil that it is so dangerous to sow the seeds of skepticism in young minds. Whatever weakens faith in God robs the soul of power to resist temptation. It removes the only real safeguard against sin. We are in need of schools where the youth shall be taught that greatness consists in honoring God by revealing His character in the daily life. Through His word and His works we need to learn of God, that our lives may fulfill His purpose. ……..The tempter has his agents, educated according to his methods, inspired by his spirit, and adapted to his work. Shall we co-operate with them? Shall we receive the works of his agents as essential to the acquirement of an education?

If the time and effort spent in seeking to grasp the bright ideas of infidels were given to studying the precious things of the word of God, thousands who now sit in darkness and in the shadow of death would be rejoicing in the glory of the Light of life.” Ministry of Healing pp.414, 439, 440.

I truly believe if we as a church body would by the grace of God would be willing to put the Bible as central in all our education process from the very youngest to the most advanced and humbly submit to the counsel He has so graciously blessed us with in the Spirit of Prophecy this problem would not have surfaced. I believe we are reaping that harvest of skepticism. Why oh Why do we think we have to teach even the rudiments of evolution?? Cannot we not hear the prophet????? If we are so familiar with the True, won’t we recognize the false??????

May God help us all the recognize our high calling in Christ Jesus.

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I can’t imagine an educational environment without the discipline of critical thinking.If a six day creation week is “truth”, why are people afraid of exposing youth to all the different concepts?If it’s true it will bear up when compared with other points of view.If we apply the freedom of choice model here, which seems to be particularly important in making a decision about accepting God, why wouldn’t that apply to believing church dogma?If you are only fed church dogma what kind of choice is that?There is no freedom of choice in that, it sounds like a dictatorship.Present all points of view and and give people the freedom of choice, and certainly the “truth” shall prevail.Pastor Paulson, referring to someone’s opinion as an “absurdity” certainly was not very pastorly.Can you imagine Jesus speaking to someone that way.Defensiveness usually reflects insecurity.It was very disappointing to read unChristlike words from a pastor.Diplomacy is usually the preferred technique used in a dialogue.Is there a difference between fact and truth?  

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And please, no more arguments that “it’s the parents’ job, the students should know before they come.” The fact is that not every student has good, spiritual, biblically grounded parents. Some students are not from Adventist or even Christian backgrounds. The university should have a goal to reach everyone who can be reached, and teachers chosen who will support this goal.

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1. LSU is not just educating students about the theory of evolution. This is a fact that has been substantiated by class room material, the professors, and LSU students.

2. It’s more imperative that faculty promote the biblical creation.

3. There is no such thing as an impartial look at the facts.

So the conflict is this: LSU is undermining the Seventh-day Adventist Church’s position on creation by promoting the theory of evolution as fact, thus undermining the Bible which the church believes is the inspired revelation of God’s will and all of our beliefs.

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