Comments on: CCC Requests “Decisive and Conclusive Resolution” from LSU http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/ccc-requests-decisive-and-conclusive-resolution-from-lsu/ La Sierra University promotes evolution over creation Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:04:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ron Stone M.D. http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/ccc-requests-decisive-and-conclusive-resolution-from-lsu/comment-page-1/#comment-17674 Ron Stone M.D. Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:35:26 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=2358#comment-17674 <blockquote cite="comment-17646"> Our young people have a tough road to travel and need all the encouragement andsupport to uphold the pillars of our faith.They also need to be taught tolive the lives that will be a true witness to the world. </blockquote> I agree completely. The problem is not just with LSU, however. Richard Osborn, the ex-President of PUC claimed our SDA students need MORE secular humanism taught them, since he claimed that the "pillars" were not working. And he seemed to wonder WHY he was fired!

Our young people have a tough road to travel and need all the encouragement andsupport to uphold the pillars of our faith.They also need to be taught tolive the lives that will be a true witness to the world.

I agree completely. The problem is not just with LSU, however. Richard Osborn, the ex-President of PUC claimed our SDA students need MORE secular humanism taught them, since he claimed that the “pillars” were not working. And he seemed to wonder WHY he was fired!

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]]> By: Norm Allred http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/ccc-requests-decisive-and-conclusive-resolution-from-lsu/comment-page-1/#comment-17646 Norm Allred Thu, 05 Aug 2010 05:49:25 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=2358#comment-17646 Praise God that Pastor Jerry Page has taken a stand with CCC executive committee! Just want to encourage the leadership in Central California Conference to move forward with their action. It is my belief that LSU has had ample time to respond. Rebellion against Biblical truth must be met with firm action with a loving approach. Discipline is never easy to administer but the walls need to be restored. Our young people have a tough road to travel and need all the encouragement and support to uphold the pillars of our faith. They also need to be taught to live the lives that will be a true witness to the world. The scientific world needs such men and women of faith! Will be continuing to lift our educational institutions in prayer! We need men of courage to clean things up in our schools to honor our God. Praise God that Pastor Jerry Page has taken a stand with CCC executive committee! Just want to encourage the leadership in Central California Conference to move forward with their action. It is my belief that LSU has had ample time to respond. Rebellion against Biblical truth must be met with firm action with a loving approach. Discipline is never easy to administer but the walls need to be restored. Our young people have a tough road to travel and need all the encouragement and support to uphold the pillars of our faith. They also need to be taught to live the lives that will be a true witness to the world. The scientific world needs such men and women of faith!
Will be continuing to lift our educational institutions in prayer! We need men of courage to clean things up in our schools to honor our God.

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]]> By: Ron Stone M.D http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/ccc-requests-decisive-and-conclusive-resolution-from-lsu/comment-page-1/#comment-16990 Ron Stone M.D Mon, 26 Jul 2010 04:03:35 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=2358#comment-16990 I just got back from the CCC campmeeting at Soquel. I thank God we still have leaders like Jerry Page, Dwight Nelson, etc. that still preach God's Word. The theme was, "His Word My Strength" which is in stark contrast to LSU's "Man's Word is Our Guide" humanistic principle that we are dealing with here. I just got back from the CCC campmeeting at Soquel. I thank God we still have leaders like Jerry Page, Dwight Nelson, etc. that still preach God’s Word. The theme was, “His Word My Strength” which is in stark contrast to LSU’s “Man’s Word is Our Guide” humanistic principle that we are dealing with here.

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]]> By: Victoria Smith http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/ccc-requests-decisive-and-conclusive-resolution-from-lsu/comment-page-1/#comment-15863 Victoria Smith Thu, 08 Jul 2010 20:05:51 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=2358#comment-15863 Adventist in High School, As a youth, I liked it when people are polite and "likeable". However, I also learned through trial and error that nice people aren't always nice when you begin to question the information they espouse and/or their authority. As a parent of a high school youth, I too felt the "rub" when I read some responses on this site. Youth may not have the answers we do because of experience but their asking questions and stating what happened to them should not be ignored or belittled. I believe that you and others in your age group will be the deciding factor when this is all said and done. Yes, we adults can make decisions regarding subsidies and resolutions but you will be the ones most affected by the decisions. I encourage you to learn more about this issue and remember that one "department" does affect the whole. As a youth, you have experienced how one friend who wants to do something wrong, can affect the entire group. The rest of you may decide not to participate but his/her decision to continue in the wrong does affect your friendship. The same theory applies here. If the biology department is teaching creation incorrectly, then the theology department must change its stance on Genesis to coincide with the biology curriculum. These two departments are really the foundation of our schools (elementary, secondary and university) and if their curriculum is not in harmony with the Bible, then the entire system is unable to effectively support our beliefs and teach our students. If I accept the Earth was not created in 6 literal days as stated in Genesis, then how can I trust (accept via faith) the rest of the Bible as being the authentic Word of God in other areas: Sabbath, marriage, death, resurrection, prophecy, 2nd coming. During their formative years, my husband and I repeatedly told our children that if you lie to us from the beginning, it will be difficult (if not impossible) for us to trust you down the road. A foundation built on lies will not hold much weight for someone who is seeking truth. It has been a difficult road at time (for partial truths can more so much more appealing) but they are beginning to see the wisdom behind "the whole truth and nothing but the truth". If the beginning of the Book cannot be taken at face value, then how do I trust the rest of the book? Investigate this issue for yourself. Talk to your parents, mentor, friends, local pastor, and conference leader. Ask your church to hold a special AY so the YOUTH can ask questions regarding this matter. Your salvation is yours to work out. Let no one deceive, discourage or sidetrack you regarding this matter (discussing youth vs. adult; young vs. old). Seek the truth/kingdom of heaven first and all other side matters will be taken care of by God. I agree that sometimes we adults have a way of ignoring the youth and their quest for knowledge. Unfortunately, there are times when we belittle the questions you ask forgetting that we too were in our position. Please don't be like us. Don't judge us because we are old and may have forgotten how it feels to seek truth and wisdom. Instead use this information as a catalyst for seeking more info. Hope this helps. If it didn't, please let me know. Adventist in High School,

As a youth, I liked it when people are polite and “likeable”. However, I also learned through trial and error that nice people aren’t always nice when you begin to question the information they espouse and/or their authority. As a parent of a high school youth, I too felt the “rub” when I read some responses on this site. Youth may not have the answers we do because of experience but their asking questions and stating what happened to them should not be ignored or belittled.

I believe that you and others in your age group will be the deciding factor when this is all said and done. Yes, we adults can make decisions regarding subsidies and resolutions but you will be the ones most affected by the decisions. I encourage you to learn more about this issue and remember that one “department” does affect the whole.

As a youth, you have experienced how one friend who wants to do something wrong, can affect the entire group. The rest of you may decide not to participate but his/her decision to continue in the wrong does affect your friendship.

The same theory applies here. If the biology department is teaching creation incorrectly, then the theology department must change its stance on Genesis to coincide with the biology curriculum. These two departments are really the foundation of our schools (elementary, secondary and university) and if their curriculum is not in harmony with the Bible, then the entire system is unable to effectively support our beliefs and teach our students.

If I accept the Earth was not created in 6 literal days as stated in Genesis, then how can I trust (accept via faith) the rest of the Bible as being the authentic Word of God in other areas: Sabbath, marriage, death, resurrection, prophecy, 2nd coming.

During their formative years, my husband and I repeatedly told our children that if you lie to us from the beginning, it will be difficult (if not impossible) for us to trust you down the road. A foundation built on lies will not hold much weight for someone who is seeking truth. It has been a difficult road at time (for partial truths can more so much more appealing) but they are beginning to see the wisdom behind “the whole truth and nothing but the truth”.

If the beginning of the Book cannot be taken at face value, then how do I trust the rest of the book?

Investigate this issue for yourself. Talk to your parents, mentor, friends, local pastor, and conference leader. Ask your church to hold a special AY so the YOUTH can ask questions regarding this matter. Your salvation is yours to work out. Let no one deceive, discourage or sidetrack you regarding this matter (discussing youth vs. adult; young vs. old). Seek the truth/kingdom of heaven first and all other side matters will be taken care of by God.

I agree that sometimes we adults have a way of ignoring the youth and their quest for knowledge. Unfortunately, there are times when we belittle the questions you ask forgetting that we too were in our position. Please don’t be like us. Don’t judge us because we are old and may have forgotten how it feels to seek truth and wisdom. Instead use this information as a catalyst for seeking more info.

Hope this helps. If it didn’t, please let me know.

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]]> By: Bill Ragudo http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/ccc-requests-decisive-and-conclusive-resolution-from-lsu/comment-page-1/#comment-15813 Bill Ragudo Thu, 08 Jul 2010 02:39:33 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=2358#comment-15813 Thank you Elder Page. This puts light to the already darkened room of confusion happening at LSU. Taking stands are very difficult and what Elder Page did is very encouraging for me to read. Thank you Elder Page. This puts light to the already darkened room of confusion happening at LSU. Taking stands are very difficult and what Elder Page did is very encouraging for me to read.

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]]> By: Jim McDonald http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/ccc-requests-decisive-and-conclusive-resolution-from-lsu/comment-page-1/#comment-15348 Jim McDonald Fri, 02 Jul 2010 15:04:08 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=2358#comment-15348 Once again it is good to see that there are still men among God's people willing to stand firm on God's Word yet with the gentle kindness of Jesus. May God strengthen His laborers in this time of crisis! Once again it is good to see that there are still men among God’s people willing to stand firm on God’s Word yet with the gentle kindness of Jesus. May God strengthen His laborers in this time of crisis!

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]]> By: Nathan http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/ccc-requests-decisive-and-conclusive-resolution-from-lsu/comment-page-1/#comment-15327 Nathan Fri, 02 Jul 2010 07:34:00 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=2358#comment-15327 <blockquote cite="comment-15245"> @<a href="http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/ccc-requests-decisive-and-conclusive-resolution-from-lsu/comment-page-1/#comment-15193" rel="nofollow">Nanci Williams</A>: Well we are in a new age, are we not? Lemme know if you can find an iPod that’s over 10 years old…I think that’s more true than, “just believe in a literal, unscientific, six day creation week even when it can be interpreted allegorically and you’ll get to heaven”  <a title="Click here or select text to quote comment" href="void(null)" rel="nofollow">(Quote)</A> </blockquote> Do you have any idea what the new age is? Well according to science, creation week didnt happen, the world wide flood was just allegory, science explained the burning bush as Moses was high on drugs, Jesus Christ being born of a virgin...His crucifixion...death and resurrection were just allegory, and science explains the book of Revelation as the ravings of lunatic. If not taking creation week literally then why take the rest of the Bible literally, after all science explains all of it away. Mat 14:31 "And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?" Why would you doubt God at His word, but take science above Him who made you at creation

@Nanci Williams: Well we are in a new age, are we not? Lemme know if you can find an iPod that’s over 10 years old…I think that’s more true than, “just believe in a literal, unscientific, six day creation week even when it can be interpreted allegorically and you’ll get to heaven”  (Quote)

Do you have any idea what the new age is?
Well according to science, creation week didnt happen, the world wide flood was just allegory, science explained the burning bush as Moses was high on drugs, Jesus Christ being born of a virgin…His crucifixion…death and resurrection were just allegory, and science explains the book of Revelation as the ravings of lunatic. If not taking creation week literally then why take the rest of the Bible literally, after all science explains all of it away. Mat 14:31 “And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?” Why would you doubt God at His word, but take science above Him who made you at creation

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]]> By: Vicki Gillham http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/ccc-requests-decisive-and-conclusive-resolution-from-lsu/comment-page-1/#comment-15307 Vicki Gillham Thu, 01 Jul 2010 22:59:56 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=2358#comment-15307 Wow, praise the Lord, this affirmation from the CCC is a great encouragement! That's interesting about the book Icons of Evolution. [edit] Dear Adventist in High School, may God bless you and comfort your heart. As a college and high school teacher myself, I am deeply grieved to hear that in your comments that it seems you are having a negative experience with some people in our church, or feeling that things are so divided. Although we have different perspectives on matters, yet still the love of Christ should prevail in our relationships with one another as we are working toward what is best- that's something I have been learning recently myself, that it seems with time and patience, and with the Lord's guidance and help, we can work things out and love one another even though there are many differences among us. Being young should not be a barrier to being valued for what you have to share, as the Lord's church was started by young people, Christ's disciples were very young, and in times of crisis God has even spoken directly through children when the adults were to hard-hearted to hear His voice. I pray that you will not be discouraged, and that rather than relying on people who can so easily make mistakes, you may draw closer and closer to Jesus and fall in love with Him. For me, growing up, that's what has made the biggest difference in my life. Now, I can't say that I'm very old, because I was in high school and college not so long ago, but I can share with you, that is what made the biggest difference for me. Praying for you :) Wow, praise the Lord, this affirmation from the CCC is a great encouragement! That’s interesting about the book Icons of Evolution. [edit]

Dear Adventist in High School, may God bless you and comfort your heart. As a college and high school teacher myself, I am deeply grieved to hear that in your comments that it seems you are having a negative experience with some people in our church, or feeling that things are so divided. Although we have different perspectives on matters, yet still the love of Christ should prevail in our relationships with one another as we are working toward what is best- that’s something I have been learning recently myself, that it seems with time and patience, and with the Lord’s guidance and help, we can work things out and love one another even though there are many differences among us.

Being young should not be a barrier to being valued for what you have to share, as the Lord’s church was started by young people, Christ’s disciples were very young, and in times of crisis God has even spoken directly through children when the adults were to hard-hearted to hear His voice.

I pray that you will not be discouraged, and that rather than relying on people who can so easily make mistakes, you may draw closer and closer to Jesus and fall in love with Him. For me, growing up, that’s what has made the biggest difference in my life. Now, I can’t say that I’m very old, because I was in high school and college not so long ago, but I can share with you, that is what made the biggest difference for me. Praying for you :)

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]]> By: Ron Stone M.D. http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/ccc-requests-decisive-and-conclusive-resolution-from-lsu/comment-page-1/#comment-15290 Ron Stone M.D. Thu, 01 Jul 2010 17:12:58 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=2358#comment-15290 <blockquote cite="comment-15288"> Recently while visiting Pacific Union College, I purchased a used textbook in their book store.I understand it was used for a class taught there.The title of the book is ICONS OF EVOLUTION, Science or Myth? (Why much of what we teach about evolution is wrong) by Jonathan Wells.... </blockquote> Wells, Johnson, Behe, and numerous others have written books debunking Darwinian evolution. Some are Christians and some are not, so you don't have to be SDA or even a bible-believing Christian to see how and why Darwinism is [mistaken].

Recently while visiting Pacific Union College, I purchased a used textbook in their book store.I understand it was used for a class taught there.The title of the book is ICONS OF EVOLUTION, Science or Myth? (Why much of what we teach about evolution is wrong) by Jonathan Wells….

Wells, Johnson, Behe, and numerous others have written books debunking Darwinian evolution. Some are Christians and some are not, so you don’t have to be SDA or even a bible-believing Christian to see how and why Darwinism is [mistaken].

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]]> By: Darlene Dickinson http://www.educatetruth.com/la-sierra-evidence/ccc-requests-decisive-and-conclusive-resolution-from-lsu/comment-page-1/#comment-15288 Darlene Dickinson Thu, 01 Jul 2010 16:41:46 +0000 http://www.educatetruth.com/?p=2358#comment-15288 Recently while visiting Pacific Union College, I purchased a used textbook in their book store. I understand it was used for a class taught there. The title of the book is ICONS OF EVOLUTION, Science or Myth? (Why much of what we teach about evolution is wrong) by Jonathan Wells. The entire book is from the perspective of errors taught and not from a religious viewpoint. The author holds PhD's from both Yale University and University of California at Berkeley. He takes many of the icons of evolution and points out the fraud and errors related to them. The book then lists the 10 most recent Biology Textbooks and rates them according to honesty and accuracy. Seven of the 10 received F's, with two D-, and one D+! Incidentally, Phillip Johnson, Prof of Law at UC Berkeley said about this book "This is one of the most important books ever written about the evolution controversy. It shows how devotion to the ideology of Darwinism has led to textbooks which are full of misinformation". Can't someone have an honest conversation with the professors at LSU who debunk a literal 6-day creation and ask them to explain how evolution is a science rather than a theory in light of these findings?. Also, I noted in a video of one of LSU's Biology 101 lectures they quoted Ellen White in STEPS TO CHRIST to support their position. Then if they want to be honest, they also need to quote her entire chapter in PATRIARCHS AND PROPHETS entitled, "The Literal Week". Recently while visiting Pacific Union College, I purchased a used textbook in their book store. I understand it was used for a class taught there. The title of the book is ICONS OF EVOLUTION, Science or Myth? (Why much of what we teach about evolution is wrong) by Jonathan Wells. The entire book is from the perspective of errors taught and not from a religious viewpoint. The author holds PhD’s from both Yale University and University of California at Berkeley. He takes many of the icons of evolution and points out the fraud and errors related to them. The book then lists the 10 most recent Biology Textbooks and rates them according to honesty and accuracy. Seven of the 10 received F’s, with two D-, and one D+! Incidentally, Phillip Johnson, Prof of Law at UC Berkeley said about this book “This is one of the most important books ever written about the evolution controversy. It shows how devotion to the ideology of Darwinism has led to textbooks which are full of misinformation”. Can’t someone have an honest conversation with the professors at LSU who debunk a literal 6-day creation and ask them to explain how evolution is a science rather than a theory in light of these findings?. Also, I noted in a video of one of LSU’s Biology 101 lectures they quoted Ellen White in STEPS TO CHRIST to support their position. Then if they want to be honest, they also need to quote her entire chapter in PATRIARCHS AND PROPHETS entitled, “The Literal Week”.

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