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Ervin Taylor: This discussion on EducateTruth(sic) has become a vivid, public testimonial to the true motives of EducateTruthers. Like Tea Party adherents, they have given ample evidence that they are not interested in reconciliation and peace inside the Adventist Church. They are extreme radicals interested in sowing discord and dissention. They are now the tares. Now that Sean has completely aligned himself with the party of the true believer EducateTruthers, there is no longer any question of his true intentions. Talk about “God [having] a way of forcing unbelievers to declare their position.” What an excellent illustration of that on the EducateTruth(sic) web site.
Man, do I ever hear the hiss of the serpent in this quote. So typical–those who accuse us of being trouble-makers are actually guilty of themselves.
To be called an extreme radical for standing for truth tells me where Mr. Taylor’s allegiance lies. For Educate Truthers to be accused of sowing discord and dissension in the church is laughable. The people who have ignored the SDA doctrine and committed the heresy of teaching evolution as the truth are the ones who are divisive in this whole matter. Apparently Mr. Taylor believes we should compromise truth as if it is of no consequence. Shows his colors very plainly, don’t you think?
Mr. Taylor, you should save your nasty little accusations for yourself and your cronies as that is where the discord and dissention is emanating from.
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At La Sierra, Biology Faculty Affirms Importance of Teaching About Creation in Curriculum
ken: “We’re all mad here”
Speak for yourself, thanks.
At La Sierra, Biology Faculty Affirms Importance of Teaching About Creation in Curriculum
Ken: What does it say about your Christian faith when Adnentists in rightgeous indignation, claiming an absolute franchise on the truth, try to rip those of different opinion limb from limb?
Ken: I am glad that you recognize that it was righteous indignation–there is such a thing, you know. And it was well deserved by the people it was directed to. What does it say when people who have no regard for our God and His church whatsoever–its doctrines, its members, its truths–but who claim to be a part of our fellowship all the while trying their level best to destroy the church from within? Were they acting in any way, shape or form like Christians? I wouldn’t say so. They love to play this little game of poke the tiger in the eye with a stick and laugh when he roars. I daresay that isn’t inspired by God, is it?
What fries my bacon more than anything is that they mock God, the Bible, and the Truth. If they don’t want to believe what the SDA church believes as it stands, then they are more than welcome to leave. No one is forcing them to stay. They are just diabolically trying to destroy what is good, and right, and true. I’m afraid that, come judgment day, they won’t be feeling as smug as they are right now.
At La Sierra, Biology Faculty Affirms Importance of Teaching About Creation in Curriculum
LSU Alumnus 1996: Don’t we think he has something better to do than politely smile at the voluntarily ignorant while listening to their drivel?
Apparently your drivel is coming through loud and clear. You obviously have no grasp whatsoever of what truth, rationality, or common sense mean. You seem to be one of those who has no problem with staying in a church and trying to destroy it from the inside out. That doesn’t come under the banner of truth, rationality, or common sense. If you don’t agree with the principles of our church you need to go elsewhere and leave us in peace.
LSU Alumnus 1996: Oh, and really? There are people in 2011 who are actually able to write the words “I am totally against homosexuality and abhor their agenda”? Maybe we should save our vitrol for something that:
a) people have a choice about,
b) actually matters, and
c) is any of our business?
Yes, there are people who are still willing even in this corrupt age to stand for the truth and not care what anyone else thinks. I confirm what I said, I write the words without flinching, and I am not afraid of what you or your likes will say about me.
If you were to use the common sense you think you have, you should realize that these people DO have a choice. If they didn’t, our wonderful, wise and merciful God would not hold them accountable for their choice. That you don’t think this actually matters is extremely disturbing. It shows a horrendous ignorance of God’s requirements on your part. Shocking! And, just for the record, truth is our business…”our” being Christians and SDA Christians more than most.
These posts show such a lack of knowledge it would be laughable if it was not so sad.
Ervin Taylor: the “voluntarily ignorant” (love that phrase)!
You should love it, Erv, it describes you perfectly.
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And you are correct, Sean, PK must consider where his influence is going–for God or against Him.
Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Mr Taylor,
After reading your comment above, I must say PK isn’t the only one in that boat.I would make some comment as to how I really feel about you, but I know Sean will only delete it and you won’t benefit from my insight anyway–seeing as Sean is more concerned about other people’s feelings than you seem to be.
How you have the nerve to come to this website and call us all a bunch of morons (which is really what you are doing) is beyond me. You and your cronies are the ones drowning in error. Anyone who dares to accept man’s opinions over the Bible or SOP isn’t to be trusted to define truth for anyone.
Too straight-forward in my comment? Trust me, I have restrained myself admirably. If you only knew….
Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Further to my comment on skeptism and our professors, I’ve got to tell you that I found Prof Kent to be extremely annoying in his comments on EGW. He seems to think that she is an embarrassment to the church when she speaks on Science.
Personally I find people who dis her to be the embarrassment to the church. I really don’t see how they dare to contradict and mock God’s prophet. By doing this they undermine a lot of our church’s beliefs to outsiders as well as church members. God will hold them accountable for that.
Furthermore, David’s unpublished manuscript plus other books I have read on archaeology have reported skeletons of the type that EGW mentions. Also found were artifacts such as huge iron bedsteads made for and buried with kings of huge stature.
Just because you haven’t done your research, PK, don’t jump to the conclusion the evidence isn’t there. It’s there, all right, and you make yourself look a little foolish for not knowing about it.
Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
David Read said:
“Ellen White’s statements about larger antediluvian life forms are well attested with regard to many different types of flora and fauna. They’re not even controversial…
Hi David,
As you know, I took advantage of your kind offer and I read your manuscript as well as I purchased 3 of your books, one for me, one for my sisters, and one for the church library. It took me a week to finish the book, and I and my sisters are very impressed with it. My one sister calls it “one incredible book”. It has answered a lot of the questions we had on the subject of evolution vs creation science, and, yes, I believe we (you and I and my sisters) are on the same page in our beliefs. We have immensely enjoyed discussing the various aspects of the subject as we read. It makes perfect sense to us.
I still have a couple of questions–new ones will probably always keep popping up–but I would say you have covered the subject admirably. Thanks so much for this book.
I agree with Elder Wilson, this is something every Adventist should read. In my opinion it should be used as required reading for science courses. It is exactly the way I would want science courses in the universities to treat the Creation/evolution debate in the classroom. And if the professors at LSU and the other SDA institutions would do this we wouldn’t be constantly losing our young people and, for that matter, our professors, to skeptisism.
Thank God someone has the courage to publish the truth and expose error.
God Bless you, David.
Southern Adventist University opens Origins Exhibit
Hi Sean and Bill,
I am wondering if the difference of opinion here is due to varying definitions of the word ‘science’. As we all know there is true science and there is worldly psuedo-science.
If Bill’s understanding of ‘science’ in this case is actually worldly psuedo-science, then he is correct in not wanting any truth to be compromised with it.
From Sean’s post, I believe he is referring to true science, which is definitely part of our beliefs on origins and is well supported by the Bible and SOP, as Sean admirably demonstrated.
Not having seen the exhibit myself, I cannot comment on whether or not they are mixing psuedo-science into it. (Perhaps a few of you posters out there can see the exhibit and report back to us.) Knowing the general philosophy of SAU, I would be surprised if they did.
Their goal is “to provide scientific evidence that substantiates the Bible’s account of creation.” Sounds good to me.
They also say: “Religion and science don’t need to be at odds.” And that is true when you are referring to true science, which I believe they are.
However, I do understand Bill’s reaction in that these days when people use the word ‘science’ without qualification it so often means evolutionary pseudoscience, that we tend to be suspicious.
I think, Bill, that in this case we don’t need to worry. I believe SAU’s heart is in the right place and I am so glad that at least one of our institutions is willing to stand up and be counted on the side of Creation, even though they will probably draw much criticism from the ‘scientific’ community as well as from the TEs in their own church.
God bless them for their fidelity to Him. And may God strengthen them to meet the onslaught that is most likely to follow, is my prayer for them.
