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Bravus: …and that brings us back around to Carl’s point: 2 million is not 50 million, but it’s not 6000 either. It just plain doesn’t help your position. (Unless you believe that any scientific finding that is challenged by new data means that we must throw up our hands and abandon science entirely.)
What it should tell you is that the mainstream “science” of estimating the age of stuff isn’t very reliable if it can be off by 20 fold for such a prominent area of mainstream science – i.e., the age of mountains. And, this isn’t the only such incident.
To further illustrate this problem, consider that the Coastal Range of the Atacama desert in northern Chile (which is 20 time drier than Death Valley) is thought to have been without any rain or significant moisture of any kind for around 25 million years. However, investigators recently discovered fairly extensive deposits of very well preserved animal droppings associated with grasses as well as human-produced artifacts like arrowheads and such. Radiocarbon dating of these finding indicate very active life in at least semiarid conditions within the past 11,000 years – a far cry from 25 million years.
http://www.detectingdesign.com/radiometricdating.html#Cosmogenic
This sort of stuff doesn’t cause you the briefest pause when it comes to your bold declarations in favor of mainstream thinking? Taken together with the erosion rate problem (which is a huge problem despite your mistaken notions regarding the nature of mountain range structure and formation) such evidences are quite significant – especially when there are so many of them that are in dramatic disagreement with mainstream thinking.
This inconsistency in the ability of the mainstream model to make accurate predictions of key features of the geologic and fossil records also needs to be compared with the numerous features that put a maximum upper limit on the age of this column that is orders of magnitude closer to the catastrophic model I’m proposing.
Continental erosion rates: Time constraint: < 10 million years
Mountain sedimentary layer erosion rates: < 10 million years
Ocean sediment influx vs. subduction: < 5 million years
Detrimental mutation rate for humans: Extinction in < 2 million years
Radiocarbon in coal and oil: < 100,000 years
Preserved proteins in fossils: < 100,000 years
Paraconformities: < 10,000 years
Erosion rates between layers: < 10,000 years per layer
Pure thick coal beds: < 100 years
Minimal bioturbation between layers < 5 years per layer
Worldwide paleocurrent patterns: < 1 year
When you have very clear time constraints like this for uniformitarian thinking, together with dramatically inconsistent mainstream dating methods, you have the weight of evidence that is screaming sudden catastrophe!
Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com
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David Kendall, BMus, MA says:
Hi Shane,
I am not sure you can make a strong connection between the statement in the excerpt and common ancestry. DNA research does point to varying degrees of relatedness among species. This does not have to conflict with a recent six day creation, though some may make the argument that it must.
What it argues for, and what Grismer clearly believes, is the idea that all life is related through process of common descent by innumerable tiny modifications from a common ancestor life form – a process that required hundreds of millions of years of time.
This notion strikes directly at the concept of the relatedness of all life because of its source in a common Designer of all the basic “kinds” of life on this planet, produced during a literal 6-day creation week in recent history.
Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com
Are LSU professors breaking the 8th commandment?
Ron Nielsn: @Sean Pitman M.D.: Sean, I am not a geologist, and I haven’t read much about this, but your argument doesn’t make logical sense. Where does the sediment that is “washed off†go, except down slope, and as long as the uplift is equal or greater than the erosion rate, there is always going to be sediment at the top
Your argument assumes that all rock is sedimentary rock – it isn’t. Only a thin layer of sedimentary rock covers the underlying granitic or metamorphic rock. So, the obvious question is, how has the very thin layer of sedimentary rock avoided being completely washed off of the underlying non-sedimentary rock if it has in fact been exposed, as an erosional surface, for tens of millions of years?
You do see how the argument for continued mountain uplift does not solve this problem? – right?
Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com
Are LSU professors breaking the 8th commandment?
BobRyan: Thus evolutionists who quickly admit that molecule-to-human-mind evolutionism (storytelling) requires “a massive DECREASE in entropy†as the net result over billions of years (at the local isolated system level of course )– are leaving themselves with no place to go.
Not true. A local decrease in thermodynamic entropy is possible using the Sun’s energy to produce the local effect (at the expense of an increase in the Earth-Sun thermodynamic entropy of course).
Recall that in the case of the dropping ball, and the iron rusting and the water evaporating — the definion for “universe†that was needed to observe those examples demonstrating entropy was simply “an isolated and localized system and it’s immediate surroundings†EVEN if that system is standing out in broad daylight (or in complete darkness). No need to “reach for the sun†before you can see the increase in entropy as iron oxidizes. Speaking of “oxidation demonstrating entropy†– our biology courses admit to that oxidation process as well.
You forget that the reverse of all these processes you use as examples of increases in local entropy can be reversed as well, by using energy derived from the Sun. The ball can be driven uphill, as can the water in the rivers that run downhill. Therefore, local reductions in entropy can be achieved by using the increase in entropy of the Earth-Sun system…
Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com
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