Comment on Walla Walla University: The Collegian Debates Evolution vs. Creation by jdoe.
Mack Ramsey: Seriously!? you want me to site chapter and verse to support my lack of faith in a literal interpretation of the bible? I must say, I’m amused
Hmmm… fallible man’s word or the infallible, eternal (even more than 150 yrs old!) Word of God. Which would you choose?
With all due respect to your opninions, Mack, I choose the latter.
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Walla Walla University: The Collegian Debates Evolution vs. Creation
@Mack Ramsey:
Mack, why start with the “conservative” and “liberal” labels? I don’t even know what those mean in regards to this discussion. “Creationist” is a more apt description…
There’s Seventh-Day Adventism and there is NOT Seventh-Day Adventism. This isn’t a cafeteria… we can’t choose to believe whatever and use the name. We either take what’s on our plate or come up with another name.
Walla Walla University: The Collegian Debates Evolution vs. Creation
@Ron:
“Rapid evolution”???? Or the effects of sin taking hold? Predatory behavior began the minute that Adam ate the apple, setting in motion a chain of events that has more to do with sin taking effect. The incredible evil in the Antideluvian world must surely have included predatory behavior.
While I commend the use of references, Ron, I disagree with your conclusions. Your logic makes sense if one assumes Evolution is true. But this is where we differ.
Once we began down the path of introducing our own opinions, views, etc. into the Scripture, our conclusions can only be faulty. We must go back to “In the beginning God….” This is what God’s word says, this is what He wrote on the 10 Commandments, and regardless of how I think or feel about it, I take God at His word.
Walla Walla University: The Collegian Debates Evolution vs. Creation
And if there’s a shred of tangible evidence to support what the bible says about literal history then I’ll believe it. But Biblical history doesn’t even begin to make sense until well after the exodus. This is only my guess and contains zero scholarship outside of my casual reading of history and archaeology, but it probably wasn’t until the age of the prophets that the Hebrews began to keep accurate chronicles of their history. Simply but my training as a biologist and simple logic doesn’t permit me to cast away 150 years of science and history and call it a massive global conspiracy.
Mack,
Have YOU any chapter/verse references from God’s word to support your statement?
And by the way, remember that Thomas didn’t believe that Jesus was risen from the dead until he saw for himself, and touched His hands and side. Does that mean that Jesus wasn’t risen? Evidence not evident is still evidence…
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@Holly Pham:
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I have always appreciated your comments on this website very much. And for that matter, Dr. Taylors’ comments, also, as he continues to make the contrast between SDAs and “in name only ‘SDAs'” all the more clear.
Don’t worry, Erv… if God can open my eyes to His truth (which I believe He has), He can also show you the truth someday (if you’re willing to listen).
I’ll be praying for you.