Pastor Paulson, I lean heavily toward a recent seven-day creation, but …

Comment on GC Votes to Revise SDA Fundamental #6 on Creation by Geanna Dane.

Pastor Paulson,

I lean heavily toward a recent seven-day creation, but you and others here are highly selective in what you interpret to be literal from inspiration and must be adhered to by a “true” Seventh-day Adventist. Here are but two examples of MANY:

(1) Exodus 31:14 “Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people.” You folks insist we are to continue observing the Sabbath but I don’t recall anyone being put to death recently for desecration of it.

(2) Ellen White says “the infidel supposition that the events of the first week required seven vast, indefinite periods for their accomplishment … is the worst kind of infidelity.” She also says “The condition of the glutton was considered hopeless…Those who do this are not Christians, whoever they may be, and however exalted their profession.” So you folks attack theistic evolutionists and completely ignore the gluttons among us–whom Ellen White very clearly labels as non-Christians and there is absolutely no getting around her pronouncement. Do we really want non-Christians on the church’s dime? Yet we have thousands! Talk about a crisis in the Adventist church! Where does Ellen White say that theistic evolutionists must be excluded from leadership or membership but that non-Christians are okay? As Bob Ryan would say, “inquiring minds want to know.”

If you guys want warring factions within the church, you’ve created them–and with much glee I might add. You have enthusiastically redirected the focus of the church within while neglecting the very command to go “go ye into all the world having the everlasting gospel.” If any of you are sincere about preaching the everlasting gospel, give up your tyrade of everlasting condemnation here and abandon this ungodly website. Now go and do the right thing.

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GC Votes to Revise SDA Fundamental #6 on Creation

@Nathan: Please enlighten me on these peer-reviewed scientific journals and the SDA scientist articles that were published.

Please enlighten yourselv. You can Google as well as as I can.. Some articles on fossil wales, for example, by Loma Linda University and Geoscience Research Institute sceintists have already been discussed in detail here..

It is just that mainstream science journals do not publish those articles that question fundamental aspects of modern evolutionary theory – namely, the very limited creative potential of RM/NS or the evidence favoring the very recent creation of all life on Earth.

@ Sean Pitman: I do’nt believe there are any Adventis biologists who have written aand submitted these articles to be “rejected”. I do’nt beleive any would have data to begin with. Many here have encouraged you to submit your own revolutionary concepts to refered journals,, Sean. What gives?


GC Votes to Revise SDA Fundamental #6 on Creation

however the evolutionist “playbook” insists that when the inconvenient details do not support a favorable view of evolutionism’s doctrine on origins the first think to do is “misdirect”, so that solving all the puzzles of life is “a key first step” to exposing any less-than-flattering fact regarding “belief” in evolutionism.

Bob, I am getting tired of you implying over and over that I am an evolutionist. Please stop.


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Professor Kent, thank you for defending me, but its not really necessary. You have been very kind to me and I have greatly appreciated the way you and your wife so generously share your faith. You have given me added confidence in the Bible and I have a better understanding of how to trust God’s word ahead of science. Thanks to your encouragement I now enjoy attending church more than ever. I have also learned that my personal experience with God is much stronger when I avoid contentious and negative websites like this one. After reading a few posts here I can’t bear the thought of reading more. Makes my stomach turn.

Your friend,
Geanna


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Wow, a friend gave me a phone call and sure enough, my name has come up here again.

Ken, please understand that you are seeing some of the worst of Adventism at this website. I don’t understand the mean-spirited and snarkey posts that are so common here even from clergy like Pastor Constantinescu. I can forgive their treatment of me and others as I attribute their comments to the impersonal nature of the internet. I strongly suspect that if I were casually chatting with them in the foyer after church they would be very kind and gracious, much like most other church members that I sit down with in the pews each week. I prefer to assume these men are sincere upstanding Christians and so I don’t wish to respond in kind to their remarks.

I actually have family in Michigan and fully intend to sit in on a service by Pastor Constantinescu one day. I will make a point to visit with him personally after the service and he will not know who I am (unless I decide to publicy post my impression afterwards- which I think would be uncharitable of me). He will answer to God how he has treated me and others here, and how he treats people in person. I don’t care to defend myself further. Believe whatever you wish to believe, Ken, but know that Jesus loved his enemies and we should be willing to do the same.


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I don’t think there is anything any of you truly wish to hear from me. It doesn’t matter how nice or agreeable I am, everything gets interpreted from an extreme point of view that I am seldom able to anticipate. If I have misplaced anything, it has been my time spent here. I agree on many issues about the message, but I don’t share the personal vendetta and punitive approach that others articulate here.

I wrote a very nice, very sincere reply to Sean, thanking him for the many positive things he does for the church. There was no anger or sarcasm in the message. I don’t know why it has not been approved for posting yet, but he is welcome to treat and interpret the message as he wishes. I’ve made my peace and I am finished for good.

Good-bye


Video show LSU undermining church doctrine
Sean,

Thank you for your concerns about the education of Adventist young people and for trying to find solutions to save them from losing their faith. We need them and they need us.

Thank you for attempting to share with Adventists your understanding of the overwhelming evidence that supports our belief in God, the Bible, Genesis, 6 days, 6,000 years, the spirit of prophecy, the nonexistance of the flying spaghetti monster, and the like. It’s refreshing to know that faith is not enough.

Thank you for bringing the importance of “transparency” and “on the church’s dime” to our attention. Your concepts are like manna to the faithful.

Thank you for pointing out individuals and institutions by name, and making clear to us how they continue to undermine the fundamental values and beliefs of our church and how our administrators have utterly failed to correct them. They must surely be a part of the much-anticipated omega apostasy.

Thank you for taking so much time to correct those of us who disagree with you. Perhaps there is hope for us after all.

Thank you for adhering so vigorously to what you believe to be God’s will for your life. We admire your fidelity to your stated positions and family and spiritual values.

Thank you for defending the faith of those who do not understand or agree with your views but still believe in many of the same spiritual truths that you do. We can only hope that they too can find their way to the kingdom of God.

Thank you for being so patient and respectful toward those who hold to different views than you do. Your example will perhaps inspire these individuals in ways that only God can understand.

May God bless you abundantly.


Video show LSU undermining church doctrine

So, no big deal right? Since most are not affected nothing needs to be done for those that are?

I didn’t say either, Sean. I respectfully pointed out that it was unnecessarily cruel, in my humble opinion, to shut down a university (as some have argued), ship it to Europe (as one individual suggested), or tell parents to send their children elsewhere when so many students have no exposure to the lies and theft that you have diligently brought to our attention and receive blessings from an Adventist college that are very difficult to get from a secular college.

Why is it that I can’t say even one acceptable thing here? No one should object to anything I’ve written in the past few posts above this one. Can’t you simply say, “Thank you Geanna for sharing your experiences and views. You raise some valid points.”