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Patricia Holy:
Contacted General Conference Education Dept. was told they would not comment because of on-going legislation.What a cop-out.Will not pay tithe to an organization that does not have the courage of their convictions.This must be stopped in our SDA schools at all levels.These instructors take an oath to uphold the Bible teachings.They should be fired forth-with.Our young people have enough to cope with without this added to their plate.

The current litigation has frozen GC action under the advise of their legal counsel, which was confirmed by your phone call. Remember, the LSU attorney and GC attorney maybe friendly and may have similar views. A very well qualified attorney familar with the case, adamantly disagreed with the GC position of inaction. We need a bold leader to stand up, we all need to pray for the Lord to bring us that leadership.

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The Full History of La Sierra University vs. Louie Bishop

pauluc: The title of this thread is not strictly correct. The causal relationships are not correctly stated. It should really be Louie Bishop vs La Sierra University not the other way round…


Just in case you hadn’t noticed, Louie’s attorney wrote a letter that accommodated your wishes (i.e., the attached Scribd file at the bottom of Louie’s article). In the title to his letter to Elder Jackson he wrote, “Louie Bishop vs La Sierra University”.

Maybe you are the one who is a little defensive and a little offensive? – re: your implied comparison to Hitler’s “Mien Kampf” and Nazism?! please…

The Full History of La Sierra University vs. Louie Bishop

George Evans: @MLB: MLB wrote, “Legal counsel at the GC and legal counsel at LSU are friendly, and may have similar views.”Do you have independent knowledge of this? “The more I think about it, old Billie [Shakespeare] was right, let’s kill all the lawyers. Let’s kill them tonight.” –Don HenleyThis isn’t a time to go slow. We have until May 28 to stop this mad man.

On a scale of 1-10, 9 is my opinion for reliable independent knowledge.

The Full History of La Sierra University vs. Louie Bishop

Richard Myers: Elder Wilson is the right man “for such a time as this”. We need Godly men like him and many more. Normal operating procedure for the SDA Church is to keep this type of issue quiet and deal with these issues internally. But there are roadblocks within the system that may have his hands tied. Legal counsel at the GC and legal counsel at LSU are friendly, and may have similar views. Elder Wilson doesn’t need to fire people or flex the GC’s muscles, but make the case to the Adventist people, stating what we stand for, what we disapprove of, form a committee to look into what actually took place at LSU, and present the findings to the people. Creation does not have to be the issue of this investigation, just look at the hard evidence, who was involved, and report the findings publicly. This will be helpful in unifying the church because people on either side of the creation debate won’t tolerate or try to defend what has been going on at LSU. Then we can have a robust, transparent debate about creation and evolution within Adventism, for institutional policy to be set, and for each individual to decide for themselves.

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It is time to connect the dots and see who is leading the opposition. Fritz Guy and Larry Geraty lead out in 1980 fundemental belief restatement that supposedly leaves door open for theistic evolution as a SDA belief. They each become president at LSU, Fritz Guy (1990-91) and Larry Geraty (1993-2007) and some how LSU evolves into teaching theistic evolution as well as straight up evolution rather than a literal 6 day creation. Fritz Guy writes books, Understanding Genesis… and another, Christianity and Homosexuality…. Fritz Guy is nominating committee Chairman two sessions in a row in the Southeastern California Conference [edit]. If you google each of them and look at the Wikipedia profile you will see all the honors received within the Adventist Church. We need to wake up! Thankfully, this revision maybe the first step in turning this infiltration from the opposition around.

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It is easy to dismiss someone simply by labeling them as a “conspiracy theorist”. Look up “JFK’s speech on Secret Societies” on YouTube and ask your self what was he talking about? The speech supports much of what Dr. Veith promotes, and as we get ready to honor the 50th anniversary of his assassination, once again, what was JFK talking about?

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While the Creation/Evolution debate continues regarding LSU, it is interesting to note that by Louie Bishop’s choice to follow the biblical model of settling disputes between brethren, rather than the legal system, the respondsibility of what has transpired at LSU shifts to leadership. Elder Wilson, Lisa Beardsley and other leaders now are the defenders of God’s truth at LSU and need to stand for the truth rather than compromise. The “enlightened left” does not appreciate simple truth, God writing with his own finger, and will rebel at any sanctioning of its behavior. But the time is now for leadership to stand up and be counted on this issue! May we all pray for God’s guidance to be upon them!


Louie Bishop Testifies, Again, about His Experience at La Sierra University
@Steve Mahan:@Steve Mahan:

In 1961 Fritz Guy became a faculty member at LSU. He went on to get his Phd at Univerity of Chicago supervised by Langdon Gilkey who in 1981 was a expert witness for the ACLU against creation in a big creation science debate in Arkansas. (Look it up on Wikipedia) He then came back to La Sierra in 1971 apparently began intiating what he had learned. In 1980 he was active in creating the loophole in the Adventist fundemental belief that enables those favoring Theistic Evolution to promote it. He was honored in 2012 at LSU for all his contributions.


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@Professor Kent:

Thank you for sharing your insight and perspective for all of us. It very evident from your comments how valuable and needed scientists and scientific thought are!