Paul ” All Jones decided was that ID is supernaturalism and …

Comment on Ted Wilson: No Room for Evolution as Truth in Adventist Schools by Gene Fortner.

Paul

” All Jones decided was that ID is supernaturalism and shouldn’t be introduced now as part of science.”

Jones was wrong. he got duped by strawman arguments and his lack of education.

He prepared for the trial by watching “Inherit the Wind”.

LOL

Gene Fortner Also Commented

Ted Wilson: No Room for Evolution as Truth in Adventist Schools
why should not an understanding of evolution shed light on the reading of Genesis as most non-fundamentalist Chrsitians today suggest?

Definition of Evolution

When we talk about “evolution,” we don’t mean, “any kind of change.” Nor do we mean minor variations that result from natural selection. We use the term “evolution” to mean;

“The doctrine that unguided natural forces caused chemicals to combine in such a way that life resulted; and that all living things have descended from that common ancestral form of life.”

This not supported by any empirical evidence, only by pure speculation.

BTW,

The universal scientific laws of Biogenesis and Heredity complete refute Neo-Darwinism.

End of Discussion


Ted Wilson: No Room for Evolution as Truth in Adventist Schools
Paul,
“there is nothing but semantic difference between the DI definition that Gene has given us and theistic evolution. ”

What nonsense, your ignorance of Intelligent Design is astounding.

Introducing The College Student’s Back to School Guide to Intelligent Design

Casey Luskin September 25, 2009 3:07 PM | Permalink

There are a lot of false urban legends promoted in academia about intelligent design (ID). They often start with myths promoted by misinformed critiques in scientific journals, court rulings, or even talks by activists at scientific conferences. Unfortunately, it’s not uncommon for this misinformation to then be passed down to college students, who may know very little about ID and lack the resources to correct their professors’ misinformed and misplaced attacks on ID. Not anymore.

If you’re a college student, recently gone back to school and expecting to hear a lot of anti-ID views from your professors, we’re pleased to present this “Back to School Guide” for students as follows:

The College Student’s Back to School Guide to Intelligent Design

The guide contains suggestions for helpful pro-ID books, articles, and websites for students to read when investigating the issue. Additionally, it contains “Answers to Your Professor’s Most Common Misinformed Objections to Intelligent Design.” Nine answers are given to common but false arguments against ID like “Intelligent Design Proponents Don’t Conduct or Publish Scientific Research” or “Intelligent Design Is a Science Stopper” or “Intelligent Design Has Been Refuted by the Overwhelming Evidence for Neo-Darwinian Evolution.”

There are three easy tips to remember as a student with an anti-ID professor:

• Tip #1: Never opt out of learning evolution. In fact, learn about evolution every chance you get
• Tip #2: Think for yourself, think critically, and question assumptions.
• Tip #3: Proactively learn about credible scientific viewpoints that dissent from Darwinism on your own time, even if your classes censor those non-evolutionary viewpoints.
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/09/introducing_the_college_studen025841.html


Ted Wilson: No Room for Evolution as Truth in Adventist Schools
Paul,

Re Dover:

FYI

Lets review Dover so we know what the issues really were. I don’t think Dover was going to teach ID.

ACLU’s complaint

I have enclosed the complaint with @

@ Introduction

On Oct 18, 2004 the defendant Dover Area District Board of Directors (“Dover School Board”) passed by a 6-3 vote the following resolution:

Students will be made aware of gaps/problems
in Darwin’s theory and of pother theories of evolution
including, but not limited to intelligent design. Note
Origins of Life is not taught.

On November 19, 2004, the defendant Dover Area School Board
announced that teachers would be required to read a statement to students in the
ninth grade biology class at Dover High School that includes the following language;

Because Darwin’s Theory is a theory, it is still being
Tested as new evidence is discovered. The Theory is not
a fact. Gaps in the Theory exist for which there is no
evidence. A theory is defined as a well tested explanation
that unifies a broad range of observations.

Intelligent design is an explanation of the origin of life
that differs from Darwin’s view. The reference book, “Of
Pandas and People” is available for students to see if they
would like to explore this view in an effort to gain an
understanding of what intelligent design actually
involves. As it is true with any theory, students are
encouraged to keep an open mind. @

What the resolution says is that the theory of evolution has problems and gaps (all true) and since it doesn’t address “Origins of Life”, perhaps, if they are interested, they could check out The reference book, “Of Pandas and People” and learn about Intelligent Design. .”

The ACLU’s allegation as to what the above statement really say;

@ Thus, the Dover Area School District intends to teach students that there are gaps
and problems in the scientific theory of evolution and present “intelligent design”
to students in a public school science class as an alternative to the scientific theory of evolution. @

That is not what the “resolution says! Lets review!

What the resolution says is that the theory of evolutions has problems and gaps (all true) and since it doesn’t address “Origins of Life”, perhaps, if they are interested, they could check out The reference book, “Of Pandas and People” and learn about Intelligent Design. .”

To continue with the complaint…

@ Intelligent design is a non-scientific argument or assertion, made in
opposition to the scientific theory of evolution, that an intelligent, supernatural
actor has intervened in the history of life, and that life “owes its origins to a master
intellect.” @

……. Much history of ID……

@ The effect of the defendant Dover School District Board’s District
(defendants’ intelligent design policy”) will be to compel public school science
teachers to present to their students in biology class information that is inherently
religious, not scientific, in nature. This resolution is in clear and direct
violation of the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause, which prohibits the
teaching or presentation of religious ideas in public school science classes. @

What was the “(defendants’ intelligent design policy”)? Lets review!!

What the resolution says is that the theory of evolution has problems and gaps (all true) and since it doesn’t address “Origins of Life”, perhaps, if they are interested, they could check out The reference book, “Of Pandas and People” and learn about Intelligent Design. .”

So, where is it that students actually learn about intelligent design?
Apparently not in the classroom. No discussion of the issue is even allowed, let alone encouraged.

“After students heard the statement, they were told that if they had any questions, they should speak to their parents or contact district administrators, students said. They were also told they could refer to one of 60 copies of the book, “Of Pandas and People,” kept in the high-school library.”

It is a “violation of the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause”

How does it violate it?

Here is the Establishment Clause of the First Amending that the ACLU says is being violated by the above resolution.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; “

Pretty clear, not one word about “public, or school, nothing about WHERE you can practice your religion”, and very, very clear about prohibiting free exercise thereof;

What if someone made a law that you couldn’t pray in public school? Would not that violate the “free exercise thereof;?

“Dover Area School District’s Web site says ninth-grade biology students will spend 19 days studying natural selection, the mechanism of evolution and the origins of biodiversity. According to the instruction guide:
¬? Students will be able to list evidences used to support Darwin’s theory of the Origins of Species.
¬? Students will be able to make a timeline that demonstrates evolutionary changes during the history of Earth.
¬? Students will be able to define natural selection and artificial selection and demonstrate the process.
¬? Students will be able to describe how speciation takes place, using Darwin’s finches as an example.
¬? Students will be able to list how species change due to reproductive isolation.”
So, where is it that students actually learn about intelligent design?
Apparently not in the classroom. No discussion of the issue is even allowed, let alone encouraged.
“After students heard the statement, they were told that if they had any questions, they should speak to their parents or contact district administrators, students said. They were also told they could refer to one of 60 copies of the book, “Of Pandas and People,” kept in the high-school library.” Nothing about ID in the classroom.

The whole trial was because the establishment is terrified of Intelligent Design.

Much of Miller’s testimony in support of evolutionary dogma has since been proven wrong.


Recent Comments by Gene Fortner

GC Delegates Vote to Tighten Language of Fundamental #6 on Creation
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GC Delegates Vote to Tighten Language of Fundamental #6 on Creation
Bill “How inane would it be to claim an apple tree is not an apple tree unless and until it has apples on it?”

Bill,

Comparing babies and apple trees is a bit more inane than comparing apples and oranges.

BTW,

“The ONLY DEFINITION FOR SIN that we have in the Bible is that it is the transgression of the law… IT CONDEMNS EVERY SIN, AND REQUIRES EVERY VIRTUE.” E.G. White, ST, March 3, 1890 par. 3.

If it is a sin to possess a fallen nature then there must be a law against it. Has God given a law forbidding anyone from being conceived with a fallen human nature? If there ever was a law that was impossible to keep, this would be it, for how could one choose not to violate it before one existed?!


Summary of 60th General Conference Session (2015)
Thanks Sean


GC Delegates Vote to Tighten Language of Fundamental #6 on Creation
Ethan,

IMHO,

No statement was necessary.

In fact I consider it thoughtless.

FB#6 should have absolutely no effect on their ability to support the world church and perform work faithfully and with integrity.


GC Delegates Vote to Tighten Language of Fundamental #6 on Creation
@Bill Sorensen:

Bill,

Sin is transgression of the law.

Where does it say being born is a sin?